Jon Beason Says Poe Would "shore Up Position"

[MadHatter]

The Panthers do not have a poe like dt. They have a bunch of smaller tackles.

Of course beason wants poe. Beason knows what kind impact poe wil have on the rest of the defense.

Edwards is a big body, space eating, run stuffing NT. please do just a little research.

[MadHatter]

The fact that the Giants lost all their CB at times in the season and still was missing a lot of them in the playoffs but as soon as that Dline got healthy they became a force and won the superbowl. Kind of goes against your post.

But the strength of the Giants DL is their DE's, not their DT's. If you want to use the Giants as the example, we should take DE in the first.

[koolkatluke]

Playing one's way off a team can be due to a whole range of factors. Ability or effort doesn't necessarily have to be included.

Point is it happen and I'm not ready to sit here and act like Shirley is a sure fire player we can depend on. I don't see how anybody else can as well.

[koolkatluke]

But the strength of the Giants DL is their DE's, not their DT's. If you want to use the Giants as the example, we should take DE in the first.

Their DT's don't get the credit they deserve. Chris Canty and Linvall Joseph are very good players. Not to mention Tuck can be a 3 tech on passing downs.

[jtnc]

As is anybody in this draft NFL production so what's your point?

The diiference is Shirley played his way off a team Cox hasn't yet.

Shirley didn't play his way off a team. He was a guard during his tenure with the Bengals, they already had depth at DT at that time.

[cotblock]

Point is it happen and I'm not ready to sit here and act like Shirley is a sure fire player we can depend on. I don't see how anybody else can as well.

The point was that we have a pretty decent idea of what we have with Shirley and I don't think Rivera and co. would keep him around had he not shown considerable promise. There were some FA's we could have gone after, but we didn't. We don't have that same level of comfort or confidence in any potential draft picks, nor should we.

[Bj-Monster23]

I think Poe could eventually become a really good NT in the league. I just think it's going to take time. The eye in the sky don't lie and the eye in the sky says Poe didn't do squat in college playing against weak competition. I think we pass on him and either go with Cox or Kuechly at 9 or trade back and take a guy like Nick Perry from USC.

[koolkatluke]

Shirley didn't play his way off a team. He was a guard during his tenure with the Bengals, they already had depth at DT at that time.

Which makes my point even more. If you can play DT at a high Level you beat out sombody. You don't just let talent go. Plus we needed a DT help after the 1st day of TC. Why wasn't he brought in sooner?

[MadHatter]

Their DT's don't get the credit they deserve. Chris Canty and Linvall Joseph are very good players. Not to mention Tuck can be a 3 tech on passing downs.

They are solid players. But are nowhere near stud DT's.

[jtnc]

Which makes my point even more. If you can play DT at a high Level you beat out sombody. You don't just let talent go. Plus we needed a DT help after the 1st day of TC. Why wasn't he brought in sooner?

He was with the Seahawks then waived, you do know many players have been cut numerous times(Jason Babin) and just need a system they fit in to succeed? Who cares about his stunts with other team, he produced in 4 games.

[koolkatluke]

The point was that we have a pretty decent idea of what we have with Shirley and I don't think Rivera and co. would keep him around had he not shown considerable promise. There were some FA's we could have gone after, but we didn't. We don't have that same level of comfort or confidence in any potential draft picks, nor should we.

I don't see how they know after 4 games what this guy can or can't be. I think he earned a Chance to compete for a roster spot that is all. But they would be fools to just depend on him or any other DT.

[jtnc]

Also, I doubt Rivera is just gonna throw away Fua or McClain and give up on them.

[cotblock]

I don't see how they know after 4 games what this guy can or can't be. I think he earned a Chance to compete for a roster spot that is all. But they would be fools to just depend on him or any other DT.

Dude, you're arguing against a point no one has made. Go back and re-read all the posts. On second thought, maybe go have a beer or four and then come back and re-read the thread.

[Ivan The Awesome]

I really don't want to depend on Shirley or Kearse.

I would. He produced in a very shaky line. All you need in one more guy in the interior. Cox would be that guy. Poe, to me is a bigger question mark than Cox. Cox has produced in a very good conference, he's one of the most versatile DT's in the draft. Brockers and Poe you're looking at upside. Cox it's upside and production. I will admit, Cox's ceiling is much lower than Brocker and Poe. That's the only snag that doesn't settle with me.

I also know I'm speculating, since he's not played, actually of them haven't, a down in the NFL. Still out of those three guys, I'd go with Cox, then Brockers, finally Poe. Poe is just too over hyped. You would think that in his conference he would be dominant. But he wasn't. He was a presence I won't deny him that. But he wasn't Dominant. Brockers was productive as well, but only one year. Cox is the only consistent one. Just going by logic here.