Wr Stephen Hill Visiting Panthers

[teeray]

1. Lafell 1st season played for the worst offense in the league. 2nd year was the 4th or 5th option on the field.

But yeah everybody else has excuse that work for them and Lafell doesn't get the same Benefit.

2. Is Reggie Ball tearing it up in the NFL I forgot?

So he wasn't hurt for 6 games and didn't have The Golden Calf of Bristol throwing to him. Got it. The Golden Calf of Bristol makes Jimmy Clausen look like Joe Montana in terms of throwing the ball.

Plus the Panthers threw the ball a hell of a lot more than the Broncos this past season.

So, I think Thomas has been a lot more successful than Laffell to this point.

You sound like the anti-Cam group from last year, "You keep making excuses for him. Didn't know pro offense. Clausen was only a rookie, the coaching staff hurt Clausen, he is a project, his throws were not pro throws, blah blah blah"

[koolkatluke]

So he wasn't hurt for 6 games and didn't have The Golden Calf of Bristol throwing to him. Got it. The Golden Calf of Bristol makes Jimmy Clausen look like Joe Montana in terms of throwing the ball.

Plus the Panthers threw the ball a hell of a lot more than the Broncos this past season.

So, I think Thomas has been a lot more successful than Laffell to this point.

You sound like the anti-Cam group from last year, "You keep making excuses for him. Didn't know pro offense. Clausen was only a rookie, the coaching staff hurt Clausen, he is a project, his throws were not pro throws, blah blah blah"

No I'm saying give them both excuses. Don't give Thomas every excuse know to man and don't give Lafell the same benefit.

Doesn't matter how may times you pass the ball if you're not the Main target which Lafell wasn't 2nd, 3rd, or 4th option most of the time. The RB got more passes thrown their way.

[DaCityKats]

And I don't agree with the grade that PFF did on that.

McClain had 19 tackles 1 sack in 12 games. He also seem to have better push then Fua and made more plays then Fua.

Fua 9 tackles in 11 games that's it. Should I say more.

We already have a competition at WR. And again Hill will have a lot of learning to do before he could join that competition.

two different jobs.Fua played NT his job was to obtain blockers and free up the others to make plays.stats dont tell the whole story especially when comparing a NT and an UT/3 tech.nice try tho

[DaCityKats]

and that same competition you speak of was so good that Rivera brought in a WR during camp and that guy started for half of the season.this team is looking at the WR spot and might upgrade it early.

[koolkatluke]

and that same competition you speak of was so good that Rivera brought in a WR during camp and that guy started for half of the season.this team is looking at the WR spot and might upgrade it early.

And by the end of the year Lafell earned his spot back and made plays.

[teeray]

No I'm saying give them both excuses. Don't give Thomas every excuse know to man and don't give Lafell the same benefit.

Doesn't matter how may times you pass the ball if you're not the Main target which Lafell wasn't 2nd, 3rd, or 4th option most of the time. The RB got more passes thrown their way.

Yeah but it is apples and oranges. You can't just compare stats and say "See!!" And I like Lafell but as you said about Hill, if he was so good he wouldn't have been the 4th or 5th option. Or Chud is an idiot. Right?

[Montsta]

Yeah but it is apples and oranges. You can't just compare stats and say "See!!" And I like Lafell but as you said about Hill, if he was so good he wouldn't have been the 4th or 5th option. Or Chud is an idiot. Right?

I don't know anything about GT football, but do they have guys the caliber of Smitty, Olsen, Shockey, Williams, and Stewart on their offense? That's why we spread it out so much, because there is so much talent. Our #1 got nearly 1400 by himself though. Not trying to fuel the flames of this argument, simply asking.

[koolkatluke]

two different jobs.Fua played NT his job was to obtain blockers and free up the others to make plays.stats dont tell the whole story especially when comparing a NT and an UT/3 tech.nice try tho

I agree it's 2 different jobs but Fua wasn't doing his job very well when Shirley and Krease who play his position. Played in less games and put up better numbers.

Krease in 6 games had 10 tackles 0.5 sacks.

Shirley in 4 games none he started had 4 tackles 2.5 sacks.

[koolkatluke]

Yeah but it is apples and oranges. You can't just compare stats and say "See!!" And I like Lafell but as you said about Hill, if he was so good he wouldn't have been the 4th or 5th option. Or Chud is an idiot. Right?

No it's only apples and oranges in your mind because you want a wr so bad. You are so in love with Hills combine performance that you're willing to throw Lafell under the bus. I'm not.

Thomas even with all the excuses you're making for him was the number 1 or 2 option in their passing game. Even when Lafell was the starting you still had Shockey , Olson and the RB getting plays call for them.

[teeray]

I don't know anything about GT football, but do they have guys the caliber of Smitty, Olsen, Shockey, Williams, and Stewart on their offense? That's why we spread it out so much, because there is so much talent. Our #1 got nearly 1400 by himself though. Not trying to fuel the flames of this argument, simply asking.

They were 18th in the nation in total offense so, by college standards, yeah they had a lot of weapons.

[teeray]

No it's only apples and oranges in your mind because you want a wr so bad. You are so in love with Hills combine performance that you're willing to throw Lafell under the bus. I'm not.

Thomas even with all the excuses you're making for him was the number 1 or 2 option in their passing game. Even when Lafell was the starting you still had Shockey , Olson and the RB getting plays call for them.

Yes because I am so enamored with combine stats that I think we should get nowhere near Poe and backed Cam all last offseason. You know because I love the combine sooo much.

The combine definitely helped in my eyes but there is more that I am going on than a combine warrior.

But to further illustrate my point, did the reason that Steve Smith's production so porous in 2010 yet great in 2011 because of what option he was in the passing game?? Or is because of the difference an offense and QB make??

[koolkatluke]

Yes because I am so enamored with combine stats that I think we should get nowhere near Poe and backed Cam all last offseason. You know because I love the combine sooo much.

The combine definitely helped in my eyes but there is more that I am going on than a combine warrior.

But to further illustrate my point, did the reason that Steve Smith's production so porous in 2010 because of what option he was in the passing game??

No it had to do with a bad OC who knew nothing about a passing game. A young QB who wasn't ready to start and the fact that he let his emotion get the best him and quit on some plays.

[teeray]

No it had to do with a bad OC who knew nothing about a passing game. A young QB who wasn't ready to start and the fact that he let his emotion get the best him and quit on some plays.

So it has to do with the offense we ran and the QB we played. Exactly. that is why you can't compare two player's statistics and draw grand conclusion of who is more successful.

[koolkatluke]

Yes because I am so enamored with combine stats that I think we should get nowhere near Poe and backed Cam all last offseason. You know because I love the combine sooo much.

The combine definitely helped in my eyes but there is more that I am going on than a combine warrior.

But to further illustrate my point, did the reason that Steve Smith's production so porous in 2010 yet great in 2011 because of what option he was in the passing game?? Or is because of the difference an offense and QB make??

What else do you have to go on In Hill's case? He had little to no College production. He didn't play in a pro system or run any Pro routes. He didn't perform against the best competition in the ACC. So other then what he did in the combine what are you so hyped about?