More Pressure From Carolina D

[panthers55]

I'm not so sure you can say the last statement assuredly, seeing how we had a different LB core last season, with a more conservative approach. We had possibly our worst LB at weakside, so that is probably why he did not blitz....

Again, I don't know where you are seeing depth and talent at the DE position, Hardy is a good rotational player, the end. We get pushed around on the line, Beason and Anderson can get enough tackles between them. Look at most 4-3 teams, they don't have all absolute stud LB's because they don't need too. They work on the Dline because they are the one's getting a lot of the pressure and stopping most of the run. AKA the bears, the Giants (who don't even have one stud LB), the list goes on. We need to stop being pushed around on the front four. It was pathetic last season. We can go out and pick up a veteran LB in the FA market, and that would be just as nice. A defensive line will help get the pressure, that we barely put on (Hardy only put up 4 sacks and 7 total in two years), and help stop the run, which we also suck at. It's a win win.

We didn't blitz because we had to play everyone back to play the run because the middle of the line was porous. We didn't blitz because we had to field a different lineup at linebacker every week. But in a Jim Johnson scheme the Will blitzes 10-15% while the SAm blitzes around 50% and the Mike blitzes around 60% of the time.

Johnson is a very good DE and Hardy gets a bum rap when he was actually better than it appeared because the linebacker help to the back was so poor and he had to take an inside angle too often to shore up the middle. It made holding the edge much tougher. We will be tougher with Edwards back and we found guys like Keiser, Applewhite and DIllard who are all situational pass rushers. Again could we get better?? Absolutely, but we have fewer question marks there than we do at linebacker.

[Panthro]

Another poor argument. If we believed that we would have never picked up Connors when we had Anderson and Davis and Beason already. And this past year would have been worse than it was. The reason we let Connors go was because he still wasn't good enough for us to keep. When was the last time Davis played more than a game for us?? 2009. Anyone who wants to pin their hopes on him lasting all year is one of his relatives or his agent. Remember how he was ready last year to return and talked it up only to go down in practice in 2010 and then in week 2 in 2011.

Top 10 = 3rd round depth?

[ClarkCam]

We didn't blitz because we had to play everyone back to play the run because the middle of the line was porous. We didn't blitz because we had to field a different lineup at linebacker every week. But in a Jim Johnson scheme the Will blitzes 10-15% while the SAm blitzes around 50% and the Mike blitzes around 60% of the time.

Johnson is a very good DE and Hardy gets a bum rap when he was actually better than it appeared because the linebacker help to the back was so poor and he had to take an inside angle too often to shore up the middle. It made holding the edge much tougher. We will be tougher with Edwards back and we found guys like Keiser, Applewhite and DIllard who are all situational pass rushers. Again could we get better?? Absolutely, but we have fewer question marks there than we do at linebacker.

I don't know where you got your percentages from, but let's assume they are correct....The plan would have Keuchly in the middle, and Beason outside... So actually Keuchly would probably be inside and blitzing the most. Let's look again at your look at our DE's and DT's. Edwards was injured, but you are counting on him to return to form? Seems contradictory to your previous statements, from the video Beason put up I would say he looked pretty good..... Our DE's? Yea sure, Applewhite can rush the passer, but not at a great level, and plus he is not a great runstopper. My point remains, DT and DE are much bigger holes than LB. I'd rather take my chances with Senn replacing Davis and have a solid Dline to help him out, than get Keuchly and move Beason around and still have a shitty Dline, most likely our worst grouping of players on the team. You are overvaluing LB in the 4-3 scheme.

[panthers55]

Top 10 = 3rd round depth?

I thought you didn't think Kuechly should even be in the top 20. What changed??

[top dawg]

Unless Brandon Hogan's knee is shot, Captain won't have the opportunity to get burned. If Brandon Hogan is able to play, it will be a new day in the defensive backfield.

[Panthro]

I thought you didn't think Kuechly should even be in the top 20. What changed??

I never said that...I just dont want the Panthers to draft him

[panthers55]

I don't know where you got your percentages from, but let's assume they are correct....The plan would have Keuchly in the middle, and Beason outside... So actually Keuchly would probably be inside and blitzing the most. Let's look again at your look at our DE's and DT's. Edwards was injured, but you are counting on him to return to form? Seems contradictory to your previous statements, from the video Beason put up I would say he looked pretty good..... Our DE's? Yea sure, Applewhite can rush the passer, but not at a great level, and plus he is not a great runstopper. My point remains, DT and DE are much bigger holes than LB. I'd rather take my chances with Senn replacing Davis and have a solid Dline to help him out, than get Keuchly and move Beason around and still have a shitty Dline, most likely our worst grouping of players on the team. You are overvaluing LB in the 4-3 scheme.

Whether Beason or Kuechly is in the middle depends on whether Beason can play at 100% right off the bat or not. If he can he would play the middle and Kuechly would go most likely to Davis spot when he goes down. If by some miracle he actually comes back and plays then you can rotate him anywhere you want to develop the best combination. Honestly what is our luck with injuries??

I am counting on Edwards to return to form because he had a torn triceps muscle. Are you comparing that to a torn achilles or coming back from 3 ACL surgeries???? Seriously????

And if you think that video of Beason was conclusive or that we have bigger holes at DT than we do at linebacker, we can probably stop there because we are at very different places in how we see the game and team. No amount of discussion will close that gap.

[panthers55]

I never said that...I just dont want the Panthers to draft him

So what was Connor- a potential first rounder who dropped into the third or an overhyped player who went where he should have gone.

[ClarkCam]

So what was Connor- a potential first rounder who dropped into the third or an overhyped player who went where he should have gone.

Connor is a smart player, he didn't go in the first round because he was not athletic like his PSU counterparts... Paul Posluszny or Sean Lee. Both are better than Connor, except Paul might get hurt more..... In addition to what you were talking about earlier, I am looking at the tape of Beason to say "He is looking good, it looks like he has some burst, speed, and is already putting pressure on that ankle". He looks fine to me.... I was not comparing the triceps to Davis, I half expect him to go down, but do not believe a 9th pick in the draft is for shoulda and woulda... I think its for something we need. The giants win superbowls off of a good Dline... I think we should follow suit and not have a "We can live with this Dline" to a Dline that has to be reckoned with. Right now, you double team Johnson and you are ready to go.

[CRA]

Connor is a smart player, he didn't go in the first round because he was not athletic like his PSU counterparts... Paul Posluszny or Sean Lee. Both are better than Connor, except Paul might get hurt more..... In addition to what you were talking about earlier, I am looking at the tape of Beason to say "He is looking good, it looks like he has some burst, speed, and is already putting pressure on that ankle". He looks fine to me.... I was not comparing the triceps to Davis, I half expect him to go down, but do not believe a 9th pick in the draft is for shoulda and woulda... I think its for something we need. The giants win superbowls off of a good Dline... I think we should follow suit and not have a "We can live with this Dline" to a Dline that has to be reckoned with. Right now, you double team Johnson and you are ready to go.

Tape of a player generally involves them playing football.....

What you watched was someone working out in an edited promotional clip.

And again, Giants had the 27th ranked D last year....they weren't very good defensively. Not a good unit. Got hot and played good when it counted..... and matched up well. NE for example couldnt take advantage of there garbage secondary......bc they don't go vertical not bc the pass rush

[panthers55]

Connor is a smart player, he didn't go in the first round because he was not athletic like his PSU counterparts... Paul Posluszny or Sean Lee. Both are better than Connor, except Paul might get hurt more..... In addition to what you were talking about earlier, I am looking at the tape of Beason to say "He is looking good, it looks like he has some burst, speed, and is already putting pressure on that ankle". He looks fine to me.... I was not comparing the triceps to Davis, I half expect him to go down, but do not believe a 9th pick in the draft is for shoulda and woulda... I think its for something we need. The giants win superbowls off of a good Dline... I think we should follow suit and not have a "We can live with this Dline" to a Dline that has to be reckoned with. Right now, you double team Johnson and you are ready to go.

Again we see things very different so no need going back and forth. I think Beason showed very little burst and speed but he has time so we will see.

And we don't play in the same scheme as the Giants so why would we do what they do. And people seem to forget they limped into the playoffs with a 9-7 record both years they won the Superbowl. Manning was the difference more than the defense. If all it took was defense then the Ravens would have won it at least once in the last 5 and the 49ers would have beaten the Giants this year.

[frash.exe]

P55 the giants were 10-6 in 2007 and their defensive line was ranked 1st overall against the pass and 3rd overall against the run. Their total defense was also above average, and they were running the same system we are running at that time.

[CRA]

P55 the giants were 10-6 in 2007 and their defensive line was ranked 1st overall against the pass and 3rd overall against the run. Their total defense was also above average, and they were running the same system we are running at that time.

Still wildcard team.... but the D was good I agree. But that was years ago....Jake Delhomme was off to the best start of his career if you go back that far.

[frash.exe]

Still wildcard team.... but the D was good I agree. But that was years ago....Jake Delhomme was off to the best start of his career if you go back that far.

lol if anybody thinks that based on the first 8 quarters of the regular season against the Rams and Texans' defense (which was terrible at that time) that Jake was going to light up the league that year