More Pressure From Carolina D

[EMSMedic79]

slowwwwwly starting to lean towards picking up coples in the first and a CB in the second.

Yep... don't see any other way about it. Just makes sense.

[bleys]

Which is why we will definitely take a CB in the first two rounds. With Capt'n playing the #2 CB position, he will often be on an island when we blitz....and he will get burned.

Captain won't be #2 regardless...

[Khaki Lackey]

slowwwwwly starting to lean towards picking up coples in the first and a CB in the second.

I'm starting to warm up to the idea of Coples, because it seems sort of inevitable. Still a scary pick, though.

[SOJA]

uhhhhh Nakamura plays safety

[cotblock]

uhhhhh Nakamura plays safety

Yeah. I know.

he (Captain) will often be on an island when we blitz....and he will get burned.

Regardless of who is at CB, our improved safety play (see how I did that?) will prevent a lot of island/burning situations.

[panthers55]

James Anderson went on record to say that he believes Sean McDermott will be calling more blitz plays this upcoming season, especially with the lockout not effecting the upcoming training camp. Andersen went on to say that he believed "just about everyone" would be going after the quarterback. Keuchly not exactly known for his pass rush ability...Just thought I'd throw that in.

Edit:

http://www.rotoworld.../james-anderson

If we use that logic then we wouldn't use Beason, Anderson or Davis to blitz. None of our linebackers have more than 3 1/2 sacks in any pro season and Beason doesn't have more than 1 1/2 in any season.

So if the coaches think they can blitz with these guys then adding Kuechly won't be an issue.

Maybe they know what apparently a lot of folks here don't. Blitzing is about scheme and can be easily learned. It is not at all like rushing the passer from a 3 point stance but about instincts, timing and quickness. Guess who has that is spades.......

Yeah our starting linebackers and Kuechly.

But lets ignore all that and keep up the same old ignorant spiel about how if you don't blitz in college you can't learn to do it in the pros.

[panthers55]

I remember reading about Beason saying that we will blitz 65% of the time or something like that. With the orginal starters coming back (barring any injuries) it should be fun to watch what defense we're planning to run.

You know we won't blitz Beason. Remember the wisdom here is that you can't be a blitzer if you haven't done it in the past and Beason has never been a big blitzer. Lets trade him away with Anderson and Davis for a bunch of OLBs who have lots of sacks.

Yes, that is being sarcastic for those who are slooooooooow.

[ClarkCam]

If we use that logic then we wouldn't use Beason, Anderson or Davis to blitz. None of our linebackers have more than 3 1/2 sacks in any pro season and Beason doesn't have more than 1 1/2 in any season.

So if the coaches think they can blitz with these guys then adding Kuechly won't be an issue.

Maybe they know what apparently a lot of folks here don't. Blitzing is about scheme and can be easily learned. It is not at all like rushing the passer from a 3 point stance but about instincts, timing and quickness. Guess who has that is spades.......

Yeah our starting linebackers and Kuechly.

But lets ignore all that and keep up the same old ignorant spiel about how if you don't blitz in college you can't learn to do it in the pros.

Well, its not like MLB is blitzed a ton and that Davis or Anderson were blitzed a lot in previous years.... My main point was that picking up Kuechly knowing we are going to want to blitz LBer's doesn't make sense. He is only a coverage tackling LBer who does not help our two main problems 1. Pass rush and interior line and 2. a #2 CB

[panthers55]

Well, its not like MLB is blitzed a ton and that Davis or Anderson were blitzed a lot in previous years.... My main point was that picking up Kuechly knowing we are going to want to blitz LBer's doesn't make sense. He is only a coverage tackling LBer who does not help our two main problems 1. Pass rush and interior line and 2. a #2 CB

And my point is that logic is stupid. If we are going to blitz with Beason for example then it must mean that blitzing is something that is easily learned and dependent on scheme not ability.

Kuechly is the best college linebacker in football bar none. He can do whatever he is asked to do just like he did in college.

If we go DE in the first then we won't be drafting Kuechly or Poe Or Cox and Brockers for that matter, it will be Coples. But if we go BPA or safest pick it could very well be Kuechly assuming that Claiborne or Kalil or another top 5 pick doesn't fall. If it isn't Claiborne we won't go CB in the first. If we trade down then who knows.

But to say we shouldn't pick Kuechly because we are going to blitz and he didn't play in a blitzing scheme so he is a poor choice, is like saying Urlacher would be a poor MLB in a blitzing scheme because he plays in a Tampa 2 and they don't blitz a ton with him so he can't do it.

[ClarkCam]

And my point is that logic is stupid. If we are going to blitz with Beason for example then it must mean that blitzing is something that is easily learned and dependent on scheme not ability.

Kuechly is the best linebacker in football bar none. He can do whatever he is asked to do just like he did in college.

If we DE in the first then we won't be drafting Kuechly or Poe Or Cox and Brockers for that matter, it will be Coples. But if we go BPA or safest pick it could very well be Kuechly assuming that Claiborne or Kalil or another top 5 pick doesn't fall..

My main point is that getting a player for "insurance" for Davis is dumb. If Davis does make it through the season, then we really did not need Keuchly to begin with... However, we will need a DE regardless of how well Davis and Beason recover. Keuchly just is not a player we need. Beason mans the middle, Anderson is a stud on the strongside, getting a weakside LBer in a league where pass rush is much more important than you third LB (that still has a chance to be Davis, he is determined we all know that).

[KDawg004]

What is it with everyone? Our LBs haven't posted big sack numbers because they weren't asked to. It doesn't mean they can't. We run a completely different scheme now. If our DL can command the attention from the OL like it's supposed to our LBs should have no problem running free to the QB, The trenches is half the battle.

[panthers55]

My main point is that getting a player for "insurance" for Davis is dumb. If Davis does make it through the season, then we really did not need Keuchly to begin with... However, we will need a DE regardless of how well Davis and Beason recover. Keuchly just is not a player we need. Beason mans the middle, Anderson is a stud on the strongside, getting a weakside LBer in a league where pass rush is much more important than you third LB (that still has a chance to be Davis, he is determined we all know that).

Another poor argument. If we believed that we would have never picked up Connors when we had Anderson and Davis and Beason already. And this past year would have been worse than it was. The reason we let Connors go was because he still wasn't good enough for us to keep. When was the last time Davis played more than a game for us?? 2009. Anyone who wants to pin their hopes on him lasting all year is one of his relatives or his agent. Remember how he was ready last year to return and talked it up only to go down in practice in 2010 and then in week 2 in 2011.

Do we need a DE? No, we have starters at both ends and depth in between but if we find a special player who will significantly upgrade the position, we should seriously consider it.

And for what it is worth, our Will linebacker blitzes the least of all three of our linebackers in our current scheme.

[OnlyPantherFaninMaine]

You cannot possibly bank on Davis lasting through the first few weeks of this season, never mind a full 16 games. If we have a chance to find his replacement in this draft and address a need at the same time you can bet Hurney and Rivera will pull the trigger.

I just tend to think that saying Keuchly cannot rush the passer because he was not asked to do so in college is foolish to say the least. The kid is one hell of a football player with a non-stop motor and has a football IQ that every coach cherishes on a defense. Furthermore, I think his combine numbers combined with his size show that he can play every LBer position he is asked to play.

[ClarkCam]

Another poor argument. If we believed that we would have never picked up Connors when we had Anderson and Davis and Beason already. And this past year would have been worse than it was. The reason we let Connors go was because he still wasn't good enough for us to keep. When was the last time Davis played more than a game for us?? 2009. Anyone who wants to pin their hopes on him lasting all year is one of his relatives or his agent. Remember how he was ready last year to return and talked it up only to go down in practice in 2010 and then in week 2 in 2011.

Do we need a DE? No, we have starters at both ends and depth in between but if we find a special player who will significantly upgrade the position, we should seriously consider it.

And for what it is worth, our Will linebacker blitzes the least of all three of our linebackers in our current scheme.

I'm not so sure you can say the last statement assuredly, seeing how we had a different LB core last season, with a more conservative approach. We had possibly our worst LB at weakside, so that is probably why he did not blitz....

Again, I don't know where you are seeing depth and talent at the DE position, Hardy is a good rotational player, the end. We get pushed around on the line, Beason and Anderson can get enough tackles between them. Look at most 4-3 teams, they don't have all absolute stud LB's because they don't need too. They work on the Dline because they are the one's getting a lot of the pressure and stopping most of the run. AKA the bears, the Giants (who don't even have one stud LB), the list goes on. We need to stop being pushed around on the front four. It was pathetic last season. We can go out and pick up a veteran LB in the FA market, and that would be just as nice. A defensive line will help get the pressure, that we barely put on (Hardy only put up 4 sacks and 7 total in two years), and help stop the run, which we also suck at. It's a win win.