Mayock Torches Coples

[Ivan The Awesome]

No everyone did NOT have Gabbert over Cam Newton. That is just not true.

I guess I phrase that wrong, Cam wasn't the #1 for most pundits. Not just Mayock. Don't act like you knew this was going to happen. Everyone makes mistakes, even professionals. o_O

[unicar15]

Rating these prospects is half insight and half luck. All you can do is look at what a guy COULD bring to your team. I think its ridiculous to think that a guy in Quinton Coples situation at UNC would continue to slack once in the NFL. Can he play?? Is he teachable?? If the answers to those questions are yes then take him. If you don't think he's teachable then don't take him but all of this crap about how Mayock can evaluate a guy's competitiveness by watching a little film on him is ridiculous. ESPECIALLY when Mayock doesn't have any insight about what was happening in Chapel Hill last year.

If I was Coples I woulda been playing not to get hurt too...It's not like Carolina was playing for anything last year and he was playing for a top 10 selection. I have confidence that he is a guy that when its time to go he's going to bring it and be really really good. If he doesn't bring it then he can get some face time with Beason, Newton and Rivera.

[panthers55]

Sigh. It keeps being said every thread but it is misleading.

Mayock said it himself as the draft was coming closer that if he was able to talk to Newton for an extended amount of time and find out for sure how much he wanted it, he would draft him number one without any hesitation. The primary reason that I got from him for putting him behind Gabbert was because of his questions surrounding his character, which is fair I guess. But ability wise, I don't think he actually felt Newton was that much, if at all, behind Gabbert and had he known how good of a guy Cam was/is, he would have taken him #1.

So if he said that after the fact it was just covering his butt because he was so wrong. If he didn't talk to Newton it was his own fault, I don't think Cam denied him an interview or kept him talking to coaches or other folks. Seems to me he is using the excuse of being lazy and not doing his homework. Isn't that what he get paid to do????

[mmmbeans]

So who is widely considered the safest pick in the draft particularly on the defensive side???

Hint:

He is a linebacker.....................................

trent richardson is a linebacker?

[Dpantherman]

I guess I phrase that wrong, Cam wasn't the #1 for most pundits. Not just Mayock. Don't act like you knew this was going to happen. Everyone makes mistakes, even professionals. o_O

I was for it the whole time, but I never said anything, and I won't. Its one big guessing game...but this is a barbershop discussion that happens all the time.

I was riding with a buddy of mine to Chapel Hill back before Andrew Luck decided to stay in school and he told me, why don't the Panthers take Cam? I told him about the analysts and all of that stuff (because its not something he follows, he watches the games and thats it...which is probably how it should be). We talked about race and ALL of that stuff. He actually sold ME on it.

There were plenty of mocks that had Cam before Gabbert and not necessarily Cam #1. No one knows whats going to happen, and I'll never pretend like I know. Ever.

[panthers55]

trent richardson is a linebacker?

Here is an article that separates the safest picks and the riskiest ones in the first round. It even breaks out the top 16 from the bottom 16. The safest in the top 16 were linebacker and OL. The riskiest??? QB and RB

https://harvardsportsanalysis.wordpress.com/2012/04/09/analyzing-the-nfl-draft-the-safest-positions-to-target-in-the-first-round/

[koolkatluke]

Mayock really is on game tape heavy and Coples last year game tape wasn't good.

[mmmbeans]

Here is an article that separates the safest picks and the riskiest ones in the first round. It even breaks out the top 16 from the bottom 16. The safest in the top 16 were linebacker and OL. The riskiest??? QB and RB

https://harvardsport...he-first-round/

regardless of the fact that you were speaking about this draft, not all drafts... you're saying any linebacker is a safer pick than any running back?

apparently, if you're picking in the back half of round 1, LB is the riskiest.

yay statistics.

[panthers55]

regardless of the fact that you were speaking about this draft, not all drafts... you're saying any linebacker is a safer pick than any running back?

apparently, if you're picking in the back half of round 1, LB is the riskiest.

yay statistics.

Each draft is on its own. This year Kuechly is the safest pick on the defensive side. Kalil is the safest pick on the offensive side. Simple isn't it???

[mmmbeans]

Each draft is on its own. This year Kuechly is the safest pick on the defensive side. Kalil is the safest pick on the offensive side. Simple isn't it???

unless he gets drafted after pick 16... in which case he becomes one of the riskiest picks in the draft.

[Fiz]

So who is widely considered the safest pick in the draft particularly on the defensive side???

Hint:

He is a linebacker.....................................

Aaron Curry?

[CRA]

I think Dontari Poe is the Newton of this draft. Will either be a bust or an every-year Pro Bowler. Glad we swung for the fences with Newton, not sure we should do it with Poe.

Considering his inabilty to dominate in CUSA.....you can pretty much rule the Pro Bowl out of his rookie season and more...

He is not the same type boom or bust as Newton. Newton dominated college football. Poe has a lot to learn and it is a legit question if he can turn his great skills set into a great football player

[panthers55]

Aaron Curry?

Patrick Willis?

Von Miller??

Dan Morgan?

[panthers55]

unless he gets drafted after pick 16... in which case he becomes one of the riskiest picks in the draft.

The difference is that usually a linebacker taken in the top 15 is the best linebacker in college that year while the guys taken in the second half of the first round are usually the 2nd or third best guy at their position which is somewhat riskier. It isn't just a stat issue but there usually is some rationale as to why there is a difference.