Brockers Vs Cox

[TANTRIC-NINJA]

Great work guy..get a larger sample...to assess and yes..the talent surrounding the player is a major factor.

I think both offer different skill sets..

[panthers55]

A lot of smaller player have been NT why can't Brockers?

Again Kelly Greg is 6'0 310 and Ron Edwards is 6'3 315 both have been solid DT.

Brockers can be a NT, the point is that he is more versatile than just a NT. I am sure we would rotate him in at NT but I think we will use him at the 3 technique as well much like a Kris Jenkins who could play several positions on the D line.

[Lout]

This is a GREAT post Lout. It annoys me that posts like this with analysis and research only get half the pies a funny gif or a one-liner does on the huddle. Amazing stuff, this is what more huddlers should be doing. Keep up the good work.

I will say this though, when choosing who to draft, the FO will look at more than who is better right now. They will look at how well-rounded the player is and their respective upsides. Trends in the nfl will also play a role. Still, I respect this analysis.

That means a lot. It took a lot of time, so I am glad someone appreciates it. I like to have a good understanding of the potential targets. I may take a look at Coples and Ingram later in the week.

[Lout]

Your Breakdown still doesn't take into account .

1. The talent Brockers had around him like Mo clay and Honey Badger.

2. Better Offense and Special teams at LSU which put the LSU defense in a better position.

3. Still have to watch more then 1 game. Cox had a great performance against USC which was a pretty good team.

I guess I don't fully understand what you mean by take into account the talent level? If I were looking strictly at their individual stats, I could understand, but Im not really looking at stats. Brockers had the better talent around him, and he still demanded more double teams than Cox did. He was able to make more impact plays, even though he was doubled more. I don't understand how Brockers could break a double team better than Cox just because he has MoClay on his team. Sorry, you may need to just dumb it down for me so I can understand how that is applicable.

[koolkatluke]

I guess I don't fully understand what you mean by take into account the talent level? If I were looking strictly at their individual stats, I could understand, but Im not really looking at stats. Brockers had the better talent around him, and he still demanded more double teams than Cox did. He was able to make more impact plays, even though he was doubled more. I don't understand how Brockers could break a double team better than Cox just because he has MoClay on his team. Sorry, you may need to just dumb it down for me so I can understand how that is applicable.

1. Talent at CB making teams run more instead of risking the pass.

2. Cox moved to the outside a lot more so you can't really rate double teams when 1 player plays the inside all game and the other moves all around. It's hard to set up double teams when you don't know where he will line up.

3. Miss. State offense and special teams did no favors for that defense in the Bama game. The LSU Defense had better field position to play with.

4. Which game are you talking about? Brockers had 2 games with Bama Cox had 1.

[Lout]

1. Talent at CB making teams run more instead of risking the pass.

2. Cox moved to the outside a lot more so you can't really rate double teams when 1 player plays the inside all game and the other moves all around. It's hard to set up double teams when you don't know where he will line up.

3. Miss. State offense and special teams did no favors for that defense in the Bama game. The LSU Defense had better field position to play with.

4. Which game are you talking about? Brockers had 2 games with Bama Cox had 1.

1. That's easy, I can tabulate how many run plays vs pass plays for both.

2. I think, normally the reason teams double a defensive player is because he is the best player on the dline, and most likely to disrupt the play. Generally speaking. I agree that it would be dumb to double team a 5-tech

.. that is going to be 1 on 1 vs the OT all day long. So let me take all of the 5-tech plays out and see if there is a difference.

3. The only difference I can make of field position is, a team would be more inclined to run the ball than pass. But, my results didn't factor a pass play better than a run play, or vice versa, so I am not sure what field position has to do with impact plays.

4. The National championship game is the one I reviewed.

[jungleking]

1. Talent at CB making teams run more instead of risking the pass.

2. Cox moved to the outside a lot more so you can't really rate double teams when 1 player plays the inside all game and the other moves all around. It's hard to set up double teams when you don't know where he will line up.

3. Miss. State offense and special teams did no favors for that defense in the Bama game. The LSU Defense had better field position to play with.

4. Which game are you talking about? Brockers had 2 games with Bama Cox had 1.

Even on a limited basis, you can look at how well a player anchors against double teams throughout the course of a game. Brockers is one of the more consistent and powerful run defenders in the draft. That doesn't change because of the cornerbacks he played with.

[pantherj]

cox brock

Yeah this guy is such a Cox Brocker. I just hate Cox Brockers.

[csx]

What I've seen of Cox I'm not very impressed by. He plays very tall and does not display good leverage at all. He just doesn't look like a DT in the NFL.

[jarhead]

Very good post .....better than any breakdown I have seen.Thank you

[Lout]

Here are the results for Brockers against Ole Miss as someone requested yesterday. Unfortunately, Fletcher Cox' game against Ole Miss is not lised on youtube. I will do a different game for him.. I am working on his game against the Gamecocks. (Not sure why I have a file upload cap). Won't let me post the excel spreadsheet.

Brockers had a far more pedestrian game against Ole Miss. Against more inferior competition.

30 Total Defensive Snaps. 8 of those plays were plays to the opposite side of the field, so he never really had an opportunity to make a play in those.

9 Impact Plays for the game

0 Tech = 3

1 Tech = 23

3 Tech = 2

5 Tech = 2

Brockers was surprisingly only double teamed only 6/30 plays.

You can tell that Brockers feels a lot more comfortable playing the LDT spot (NT).

I feel like Brockers did not show the same intensity as in the National Championship game. (probably for obvious reasons).

On plays where Brockers got embarassed (pancaked), you better watch out the very next play.. because he plays with 125% effort and will make a big play. He did this 3 times in the game, which makes me think he does not play with all of his effort on every play. He gets by with his natural gifts quite often. But when this guy is motivated, he is a beast.

I definitely want to analyze one more game to get a complete feel for him as a player. He reminds me of a John Henderson from the Jags.

[koolkatluke]

1. That's easy, I can tabulate how many run plays vs pass plays for both.

2. I think, normally the reason teams double a defensive player is because he is the best player on the dline, and most likely to disrupt the play. Generally speaking. I agree that it would be dumb to double team a 5-tech

.. that is going to be 1 on 1 vs the OT all day long. So let me take all of the 5-tech plays out and see if there is a difference.

3. The only difference I can make of field position is, a team would be more inclined to run the ball than pass. But, my results didn't factor a pass play better than a run play, or vice versa, so I am not sure what field position has to do with impact plays.

4. The National championship game is the one I reviewed.

Then that's another thing you have to take into account. That was Brockers 2nd game that year against Bama. Having played those guys once already gives him a leg up on Cox who only played them once. Brockers Knowing how they were going to try to Block him from the 1st game gives him a chance to make more plays.

You might have to go to the 1st game LSU vs. Bama to get a fair reading.

[NCstoner420]

Then that's another thing you have to take into account. That was Brockers 2nd game that year against Bama. Having played those guys once already gives him a leg up on Cox who only played them once. Brockers Knowing how they were going to try to Block him from the 1st game gives him a chance to make more plays.

You might have to go to the 1st game LSU vs. Bama to get a fair reading.

The National Championship game would be the better game to use because of the shape that LSU's locker room was in. If Brockers was able to come out and put it all on the field shows the kind of character he has. Look at other players on the team, you could tell that they were not all there during the game.

[SOJA]

I'd be happy with either at this point