Brockers Vs Cox

[JawnyBlaze]

I think Cox might improve the D-line a little more just for this year, but looking at the long term I think Brockers would be the biggest improvement. Edwards is a very short term solution, and unless we want to be throwing high picks at DT for more years to come I'd prefer to draft Edwards' replacement than McClain or Nebletts. I agree with whoever made the point that McClain looks like he could develop into a solid UT (and would include Neblett into that assessment) while Fua doesn't look like he'll develop into a solid NT.

[Lout]

Fua should be ready to take over the NT position in year 3. He was the better rookie DT last year between him an McClain. (That's straight from Rivera's mouth). Quality 3-techs are hard to find.

[koolkatluke]

Fua should be ready to take over the NT position in year 3. He was the better rookie DT last year between him an McClain. (That's straight from Rivera's mouth). Quality 3-techs are hard to find.

I just don't think Fua is bulit to be a NT. We might have made a mistakes on that pick. At 6-1 308 he really has to increase strenght and not getting pushed around.

[carpanfan96]

I just don't think Fua is bulit to be a NT. We might have made a mistakes on that pick. At 6-1 308 he really has to increase strenght and not getting pushed around.

It wasn't his strength that caused him to get pushed around, he's fine in the department. It was his technique, he was coming out of his stance high and that will always result in getting blown up in the NFL. He was starting to improve a bit before the injury and he should be quite a bit better with his technique after a full off season.

[TMC]

In the game film I have watched, Brockers runs too hot and cold. Cox is more consistent in his game. He is there every week. He also does not have the horses around him to help when he makes mistakes/cover him up. I do not think either are true nose tackles and both may be better served paired with a true nose. At this point, Cox would be my choice.

[bigskypanthersguy]

To me, regardless of undertackle or nose, you can never have too many good DT's. If we could replenish our depth there, it'd help later on in the season, when the bigger guys' stamina wears down. I do favor Cox, but if we could get Brockers coached up, either one would only help our d-line.

[Kuech the Sneak]

Kearse,Neblett,Shirley,McClain,Fua,Edwards

I think all these guys will be coming to training camp, regardless of who we add in the draft. Kearse and shirley played themselves into a chance this year

[ClarkCam]

I watched both tapes as well... And your final assessment is pretty spot on. Cox is much more of a pass rusher than Brockers, and Brockers is the DT who demands double teams.

Here is my brief assessment after watching both tapes once...

Brockers-

-He is pretty damn good against the run. He is double teamed most of the time, due to that being his job. He is an overall beast that requires respect.

-Compared to Suh, he isn't going to break off of these double teams to make a play. He is more of a guy that requires a double team to not be an absolute menace.

-In passing situations, he is not really a factor. In no way shape or form is this guy going to collapse the pocket or get to the QB.

-However, he does, in many scenarios, require double teams, making it better for everyone around him to perform, including on passing downs. I'm just not convinced he will require double teams on passing downs in the NFL.

-While his stats may not be stellar, it's how he makes everyone else around him better, specifically on early downs.

Cox-

-While he does not demand double teams as much as Brockers, I'm not sure if that's his purpose. He doesn't play NT as much... -He is not the big guy you get that can overwhelm people with raw power, but it is his athleticism which is so unique about him.

-This guy will get after the quarterback, and gets penetration on just about every play, as opposed to brockers.

-However, the fact that teams are not always getting after him and getting him double teamed like Brockers, makes me think that he only gets his sacks due to his raw ability and athleticism. This makes him more of a player that can get penetration on occassion, but often times gets thrown out because he lacks technique, which is so key in his position.

He reminds me somewhat of Amobi Okoye.

It's definitely tough... My worry with Brockers is his poor combine, and the fact that so many previous DT's out of LSU have been eh at best...However, Dorsey and Jackson are both starting to come to form. However, Brockers is not nearly as athletic in Dorsey, in my book.

They both have pros and cons.... Brockers is my man on the run, but against the pass, Cox is going to provide more pressure and sacks, strictly due to his athleticism.

I'm not sure I would want either of these guys with 9.... Coples, Gilmore, Floyd, or trade down. YAY.

[koolkatluke]

I watched both tapes as well... And your final assessment is pretty spot on. Cox is much more of a pass rusher than Brockers, and Brockers is the DT who demands double teams.

Here is my brief assessment after watching both tapes once...

Brockers-

-He is pretty damn good against the run. He is double teamed most of the time, due to that being his job. He is an overall beast that requires respect.

-Compared to Suh, he isn't going to break off of these double teams to make a play. He is more of a guy that requires a double team to not be an absolute menace.

-In passing situations, he is not really a factor. In no way shape or form is this guy going to collapse the pocket or get to the QB.

-However, he does, in many scenarios, require double teams, making it better for everyone around him to perform, including on passing downs. I'm just not convinced he will require double teams on passing downs in the NFL.

-While his stats may not be stellar, it's how he makes everyone else around him better, specifically on early downs.

Cox-

-While he does not demand double teams as much as Brockers, I'm not sure if that's his purpose. He doesn't play NT as much... -He is not the big guy you get that can overwhelm people with raw power, but it is his athleticism which is so unique about him.

-This guy will get after the quarterback, and gets penetration on just about every play, as opposed to brockers.

-However, the fact that teams are not always getting after him and getting him double teamed like Brockers, makes me think that he only gets his sacks due to his raw ability and athleticism. This makes him more of a player that can get penetration on occassion, but often times gets thrown out because he lacks technique, which is so key in his position.

He reminds me somewhat of Amobi Okoye.

It's definitely tough... My worry with Brockers is his poor combine, and the fact that so many previous DT's out of LSU have been eh at best...However, Dorsey and Jackson are both starting to come to form. However, Brockers is not nearly as athletic in Dorsey, in my book.

They both have pros and cons.... Brockers is my man on the run, but against the pass, Cox is going to provide more pressure and sacks, strictly due to his athleticism.

I'm not sure I would want either of these guys with 9.... Coples, Gilmore, Floyd, or trade down. YAY.

Coples Motor is still a question.

Floyd will be a above avg. #2 at best. Not worth the 9th pick IMO.

Gilmore played a little hot and Cold this year but out of the 3 you named he would be the one I pick if we couldn't get Cox.

[jarhead]

Just a question from a passive observer.I keep reading Brocker was constantly double teamed rarely hear that with Cox.Is that accurate and if so might that explain why he was more successful? All I care about is getting the best one available.I wonder how the Panthers have them graded? In fact I would like to see how they have the whole draft graded.My hope is all 3 qbs and a rb will go before we pick which will equate to us getting 5th pick being we have no use for a qb or rb.

[ClarkCam]

Just a question from a passive observer.I keep reading Brocker was constantly double teamed rarely hear that with Cox.Is that accurate and if so might that explain why he was more successful? All I care about is getting the best one available.I wonder how the Panthers have them graded? In fact I would like to see how they have the whole draft graded.My hope is all 3 qbs and a rb will go before we pick which will equate to us getting 5th pick being we have no use for a qb or rb.

Brockers, from what I have seen, was definitely double teamed more often.... I'm not so sure that makes him a better player. Brockers, when double teamed, does not collapse the pocket. That is my problem with him. He does not seem to have any pass rushing ability. Kris Jenkins, for example, still pushes and tries to get in the backfield. Brockers almost seems content having two guys block him and then he sits back.

[jungleking]

Brockers, from what I have seen, was definitely double teamed more often.... I'm not so sure that makes him a better player. Brockers, when double teamed, does not collapse the pocket. That is my problem with him. He does not seem to have any pass rushing ability. Kris Jenkins, for example, still pushes and tries to get in the backfield. Brockers almost seems content having two guys block him and then he sits back.

Brockers has more room to improve his pass-rushing repertoire, though. He's only been a full-time defensive lineman for two years, and his technique in the run game is already outstanding. If we have to pick between two good players, one a run stopper, the other a pass rusher, I like the guy with the potential to improve his weak area.

[jarhead]

Brockers, from what I have seen, was definitely double teamed more often.... I'm not so sure that makes him a better player. Brockers, when double teamed, does not collapse the pocket. That is my problem with him. He does not seem to have any pass rushing ability. Kris Jenkins, for example, still pushes and tries to get in the backfield. Brockers almost seems content having two guys block him and then he sits back.

No it does not make him a better player but does impact his stats I would imagine

[ClarkCam]

Brockers has more room to improve his pass-rushing repertoire, though. He's only been a full-time defensive lineman for two years, and his technique in the run game is already outstanding. If we have to pick between two good players, one a run stopper, the other a pass rusher, I like the guy with the potential to improve his weak area.

Firstly, both of these guys have tons of potential, I would say Cox has the most. He is so freaking quick. Brockers had a worse combine by far than Cox...Cox had an impressive combine. But, both of these guys are full of potential, I think Brockers would help our run right off the bat, while Cox would wreak havoc on the pass rush in the beginning. It is preference really.... Brockers and Edwards are similiar players, AKA Cox would probably be best to pick up in our situation.... I think it is harder to find someone with the skill set of Cox than Brockers.