Brockers Vs Cox

[koolkatluke]

I'm still trying to figure out how a 3 year starter in the SEC that has better # then Dareus coming out is Unsafe.

[calipanther]

But Rivera said that in his mind Cam was a very safe pick. Maybe others felt it was risky but Rivera and Hurney were very comfortable with that pick. Likewise whoever they pick this year will be a "safe" pick in their mind.

I don't think Rivera has as much input as Mad Marty does. Riveras a new head coach that worked for a couple well established guys. I'm not sure that JR and Hurney take his word as dogma just yet.

[davos]

in general DTs can struggle and go through a bit of adjustment when they first enter the NFL. however, our rookie DTs last season were just horrible and got outplayed by guys that were sitting at home on their couches before we signed them. i don't see them ever being better than marginal backup caliber players

kearse and neblett could both be decent backup/rotation guys but not real starters or impact players. getting edwards back should help a lot. he's not a stud or anything but he'd still be a pretty noticeable upgrade of who we have now. add a guy like cox at UT next to him and the line starts to look a lot better.

we still need help at DE too though. CJ is very good but not elite. he'd be like the 4th or 5th best DE on the Giants right now. adding an elite DE across from him and letting hardy rotate in would be ideal.

I agree with this assessment...nice post

We need a guy to package with Edwards. We have him as our NT and Fua/Kearse as our backup rotationals. If we don't draft a DT high, we honestly need a FA signing or McClain will have a lot to prove imo

[panthers55]

I don't think Rivera has as much input as Mad Marty does. Riveras a new head coach that worked for a couple well established guys. I'm not sure that JR and Hurney take his word as dogma just yet.

Don't know where you get that at all. When he was hired there was some discussion about Hurney assuming the reins but it was Rivera who wanted and got Chud when Hurney supposedly wanted to go a different direction. And the steam of ex-charger players seems like a clear indication that the coaches and Rivera have a major influence on who we take.

I think JR and Hurney are very happy with RIvera and the direction we are heading.

[Lout]

But Rivera said that in his mind Cam was a very safe pick. Maybe others felt it was risky but Rivera and Hurney were very comfortable with that pick. Likewise whoever they pick this year will be a "safe" pick in their mind.

I agree with that. They could see a guy as a safe pick, when 'we' the public have a different perception on a particular player. He could think Janoris Jenkins is a safe player for all we know.

I know Rivera wants to get an 'impact player' with our #9 selection. He has also mentioned the pass rush needs to improve, so I think they prefer to take Dline, or a LB if they think he can rush the passer.. like a Melvin Ingram. That's just how I read things, and how I think things will shape out (not that I am right).

In no particular order, I think the few guys we are looking at are:

1. Cox

2. Brockers

3. Ingram

4. Coples

5. Poe

[panthers55]

I agree with this assessment...nice post

We need a guy to package with Edwards. We have him as our NT and Fua/Kearse as our backup rotationals. If we don't draft a DT high, we honestly need a FA signing or McClain will have a lot to prove imo

Anyone who really believes our D line is crap, better be looking for a whole lot more help than one 1st round draft pick to instantly save this line. There isn't a guy in the draft who is projected as an instant starter at DT or DE. The closest is Ingram not Poe, Cox, or Coples which is where most of the debate around here has centered. Every year people get hyped up about this guy or that being an instant upgrade only to wonder what happened when the season starts. This isn't like last year with Newton, none of these guys is significantly better than who we have at starter in the first place.

[Lout]

I agree with this assessment...nice post

We need a guy to package with Edwards. We have him as our NT and Fua/Kearse as our backup rotationals. If we don't draft a DT high, we honestly need a FA signing or McClain will have a lot to prove imo

If we don't draft a DT in the 1st round, I don't think we take a DT, period. We have two 3rd round picks last year, and they would probably grade out as a 2nd round pick this year when you include the whole year of experience in the Pro game, and their knowledge of the playbook. So taking a 2nd round DT or later doesn't make much sense to me.

[calipanther]

Don't know where you get that at all. When he was hired there was some discussion about Hurney assuming the reins but it was Rivera who wanted and got Chud when Hurney supposedly wanted to go a different direction. And the steam of ex-charger players seems like a clear indication that the coaches and Rivera have a major influence on who we take.

I think JR and Hurney are very happy with RIvera and the direction we are heading.

Chudzinzki I'll give you. That seemed all Rivera, but the stream of ex chargers? Not a whole lot of risk filling the roster with vet minimum guys that played for Rivera before. If we brought in Vincent Jackson for big money or if we all of a sudden changed our defense to a totally new scheme I'd be more inclined to say that he had more sway. It's really just a hunch I have.

[Lout]

Anyone who really believes our D line is crap, better be looking for a whole lot more help than one 1st round draft pick to instantly save this line. There isn't a guy in the draft who is projected as an instant starter at DT or DE. The closest is Ingram not Poe, Cox, or Coples which is where most of the debate around here has centered. Every year people get hyped up about this guy or that being an instant upgrade only to wonder what happened when the season starts. This isn't like last year with Newton, none of these guys is significantly better than who we have at starter in the first place.

I think Fletcher Cox would start over McClain at 3-tech, easily. With Ron Edwards on the other side, both DT spots would be upgraded over last year.. so I must disagree with you on that statement.

[panthers55]

I think Fletcher Cox would start over McClain at 3-tech, easily. With Ron Edwards on the other side, both DT spots would be upgraded over last year.. so I must disagree with you on that statement.

I don't know that is true. McClain was drafted 1 position out of the second round and actually is pretty decent. With 1 year of NFL starting experience, I think he would start over a rookie. After all we tried the rookie thing last year and it was a disaster.

[Lout]

I don't know that is true. McClain was drafted 1 position out of the second round and actually is pretty decent. With 1 year of NFL starting experience, I think he would start over a rookie. After all we tried the rookie thing last year and it was a disaster.

Rivera said that Fua played better than McClain last season. Fua will be the backup to Ron Edwards. I don't think Rivera is not too impressed with McClain, and not too proud to replace him with an upgrade. Fletcher Cox has the talent to dominate the position.. whereas McClain does not have the same burst or speed.

http://www.heraldonline.com/2011/11/28/3559147/rivera-assesses-rookies.html

[panthers55]

Rivera said that Fua played better than McClain last season. Fua will be the backup to Ron Edwards. I don't think Rivera is not too impressed with McClain, and not too proud to replace him with an upgrade. Fletcher Cox has the talent to dominate the position.. whereas McClain does not have the same burst or speed.

http://www.heraldonl...es-rookies.html

Again Neither player was great but lets see how they do with a year under their belt and a full off-season. Also remember that we brought in several guys throughout the year. It isn't just McClain but a number of guys competing for the job. If we draft a DT in the first then I would concede that we are looking to upgrade the undertackle position. But if we bring in a guy from the second on down, then we are looking for depth but not necessarily a starter at that position.

[Matthias]

I would take Brockers because the boy can plug up holes in the run defense. With our bunch of linebackers, it would be great if they can run free and do their thing, having our boys on the d-line handle things up front.

[Lout]

Again Neither player was great but lets see how they do with a year under their belt and a full off-season. Also remember that we brought in several guys throughout the year. It isn't just McClain but a number of guys competing for the job. If we draft a DT in the first then I would concede that we are looking to upgrade the undertackle position. But if we bring in a guy from the second on down, then we are looking for depth but not necessarily a starter at that position.

I agree with that, but I will go a step further. If we don't take a 1st round DT, then I don't think we take one in the whole draft. I don't feel like we can upgrade the 3-tech at that point. I like the depth we have at both DT positions. I like Kearse (whom is also a rookie from last season as well that we all forget because we didn't draft him). I like Neblett, and I like Shirley.