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Melvin Ingram....its Meant To Happen

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panthers55 Grand Master

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Norwood weight 240, Keiser 260, Applewhite 260. Ingram played last year at 264, now 276. Johnson and Hardy are both in the upper 270 ranges. The question becomes whether or not Ingram can maintain that bulk without affecting his speed, and whether he'll be a good run defender. There's no evidence to support either claim. Even if he is the same size as Hardy, the worst run defending right end in the NFL, that's not necessarily a good thing.

Bottom line, he's short and small. Not a big fan of taking him in the top ten with those measurables.

When did he gain 12 pounds. At the combine he was listed as 6'1" 264 lbs and ran a 4.79 40.

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I had it backwards. SC listed him at 276, he weighed in at 264. So even smaller than originally thought. Awesome.

He is not too small to play DE. He could easily put on 10-12 pounds but he is where he is at to be able to play OLB or DE.

People get hung on numbers like arm length but honestly that is all overhyped. Guys like Justin Tuck supposedly have long arm length at 33 inches. So 11/2 inches of arm length determine whether you will be successful or not? I don't think so.

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But a 6'2" 270 guy is worth 76 millions right??

Carolina already knows that guy can play. Numbers might be overhyped, but at this point, they're the biggest indicators of future performance available. Why isn't it reasonable to assume that a small defensive end will struggle against the run, or that a short one will struggle to get his hands on pass blockers? We've seen it before--trends are the reason that numbers are valued. The trends go against him. He could be an exception, but the top ten isn't really a spot where I want hope to be a deciding factor.

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Carolina already knows that guy can play. Numbers might be overhyped, but at this point, they're the biggest indicators of future performance available. Why isn't it reasonable to assume that a small defensive end will struggle against the run, or that a short one will struggle to get his hands on pass blockers? We've seen it before--trends are the reason that numbers are valued. The trends go against him. He could be an exception, but the top ten isn't really a spot where I want hope to be a deciding factor.

Is anything sure in the draft?? If you look at numbers, Ingram had 10 sacks as a senior, that is pretty good production. The issue is that 6'2" isn't small for a DE. His height may not help him bat down passes but it gives him plenty of leverage in rushing the passer. If he had serious knocks against him he wouldn't be rated the best DE in the draft and a top 10 pick. Apparently most of the experts don't agree he isn't a top 10 pick.

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Is anything sure in the draft?? If you look at numbers, Ingram had 10 sacks as a senior, that is pretty good production. The issue is that 6'2" isn't small for a DE. His height may not help him bat down passes but it gives him plenty of leverage in rushing the passer. If he had serious knocks against him he wouldn't be rated the best DE in the draft and a top 10 pick. Apparently most of the experts don't agree he isn't a top 10 pick.

Coples is the best DE.

Ingram is projected as a 3-4 OLB.

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Is anything sure in the draft?? If you look at numbers, Ingram had 10 sacks as a senior, that is pretty good production. The issue is that 6'2" isn't small for a DE. His height may not help him bat down passes but it gives him plenty of leverage in rushing the passer. If he had serious knocks against him he wouldn't be rated the best DE in the draft and a top 10 pick. Apparently most of the experts don't agree he isn't a top 10 pick.

6'2" is small when your competition is 6'5". He can't bat down passes or use his hands to disengage his blocker. He had good production. He's athletic, and can find a spot in this league. I just wouldn't be that pick that he's going to be one of the better defensive ends in the NFL when similar guys have struggled.

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