Melvin Ingram Vs. Quinton Coples On Sport Science

[JawnyBlaze]

what's your country?

hah, meant to "quote", enjoy the free pie :) stationed in Australia.

[Kuech Da Sneak]

Sorry but I'm not taking a guy Ingrams size at 9. You have to be a complete DE to go top 10 and I'm not convinced he is or ever will be.

If you have to be a complete DE to go top 10 then I guess neither Ingram or Coples will go in the first 10 picks.

[La Pantera]

They should've had them run the same drills...but anyway. Ingrams footwork looked GREAT! With jukes like that he'd give OTs fits.

[unicar15]

If you have to be a complete DE to go top 10 then I guess neither Ingram or Coples will go in the first 10 picks.

In what way is Coples not a complete DE? He had 18 sacks in two years as a starter. He is probably the best DE in the draft against the run and he is the best DE in the draft in penetration up the middle. Ingram is an edge rusher...and that's it. It's all that he has the ability to be at 6'2." That's what I mean by "complete." Ingram is going to get mauled by guards and tackles in the run game. He's 6'2'' 276....Did we not just draft Everette Brown 2 years ago only to cut him??? Why do you want a guy who is 6'2'' over a guy who is 6'6''?? I know size isn't everything but when all else is equal you gotta look at the measureables and I'm not taking a chance on a guy who is a 3-4/4-3 tweener over a guy who is a pure 4-3 end.

[pOpCoRnPoPpEr]

Hmmm something i did notice in the links. Coples is taller with longer arms yet Ingram matched him in the vertical.

[pOpCoRnPoPpEr]

Oh and Charles Johnson.....

6-2 275.

Not a shabby player.

[Frizzy350]

In what way is Coples not a complete DE? He had 18 sacks in two years as a starter. He is probably the best DE in the draft against the run and he is the best DE in the draft in penetration up the middle. Ingram is an edge rusher...and that's it. It's all that he has the ability to be at 6'2." That's what I mean by "complete." Ingram is going to get mauled by guards and tackles in the run game. He's 6'2'' 276....Did we not just draft Everette Brown 2 years ago only to cut him??? Why do you want a guy who is 6'2'' over a guy who is 6'6''?? I know size isn't everything but when all else is equal you gotta look at the measureables and I'm not taking a chance on a guy who is a 3-4/4-3 tweener over a guy who is a pure 4-3 end.

1. Coples got LESS sacks as a dedicated DE than when he was a DT.

2. His final season he had 2 sacks vs JAmes Madison and 2 vs Duke. Had 7.5 total.

3. He's 6 foot 6 but only weighs about 8 lbs more than Ingram. Height can also work against you significantly in football due to a higher center of gravity. Getting lower than your opponent is a crucial factor in run block/shedding.

4. Ingram is just as big as Charles Johnson. He's one of the best all around DEs in the league.

[TANTRIC-NINJA]

Coples looks the part and had a good 2010...2011? Dominant? He has Elite size but so did Jamal Anderson who is a major bust in Atl..

...Ingram also played against men...in the SEC... i know SEC haters roll their eyes but its a fact, that its the closet to Sunday football as each draft proves you wrong.

They ran a fake punt with Ingram and he scored a td from 60+ yrds away..he is athletic and agile like a running back. He is explosive but smaller than Coples..id think he is a top 3 OLB as well as DE.

Id be happy with either as I think Coples will develop and Ingram was banged up for most the year.

[jasonluckydog]

Ingram is a true athlete that will make any defense better by him just being on the field he alone could disrupt ab entire offense...Ingram is the type of player that stays healthy will be in the HOF on the 1st ballot....He will probably have 3-4 SB MVP's/

[Kuech Da Sneak]

In what way is Coples not a complete DE? He had 18 sacks in two years as a starter. He is probably the best DE in the draft against the run and he is the best DE in the draft in penetration up the middle. Ingram is an edge rusher...and that's it. It's all that he has the ability to be at 6'2." That's what I mean by "complete." Ingram is going to get mauled by guards and tackles in the run game. He's 6'2'' 276....Did we not just draft Everette Brown 2 years ago only to cut him??? Why do you want a guy who is 6'2'' over a guy who is 6'6''?? I know size isn't everything but when all else is equal you gotta look at the measureables and I'm not taking a chance on a guy who is a 3-4/4-3 tweener over a guy who is a pure 4-3 end.

What's your point, homer?

Coples had 18 sacks in two years as a starter, Ingram had 19 in two years -only one of those he was starting because of solid depth, yet he still manages more sacks than Coples against better guards & tackles in the best conference there is.

Ingram was played off the edge, up the middle as a tackle on 3rd down (like the Giants NASCAR package) even better at it than Coples was, and played coverage. He's gotten interceptions in both coverage & edge rushing.

The dude not only ran a fake punt 70 yards for a TD, outrunning DBs, but also recovered onside kicks on the hands team.

Trust, he's more versatile than Coples. You act like Ingram doesn't even belong in the same breath, but there's a reason pretty much every respected mocker has him going in the top 10, a lot even earlier than Coples, usually at #7.

The Brown comparison is completely off. There was no consensus of him being a top 10 talent by all scouts. He came out of a school that historically has had problems with ends adapting to the NFL (FSU), unlike South Carolina, who has established edge rushers like Abraham in the NFL.

There's plenty of guys in the NFL Ingram's size that get as many sacks as anybody a year, yet you want to cling to one description of one player that nobody outside of Panthers fans even compares him to.

Dude will be as good, if not better, than Coples.

[LinvilleGorge]

I put zero value in that Sports Science show. If their measurements were accurate, every MMA fight would end in a Mortal Kombat style fatality.

[nctarheel0619]

What's your point, homer?

Coples had 18 sacks in two years as a starter, Ingram had 19 in two years -only one of those he was starting because of solid depth, yet he still manages more sacks than Coples against better guards & tackles in the best conference there is.

Ingram was played off the edge, up the middle as a tackle on 3rd down (like the Giants NASCAR package) even better at it than Coples was, and played coverage. He's gotten interceptions in both coverage & edge rushing.

The dude not only ran a fake punt 70 yards for a TD, outrunning DBs, but also recovered onside kicks on the hands team.

Trust, he's more versatile than Coples. You act like Ingram doesn't even belong in the same breath, but there's a reason pretty much every respected mocker has him going in the top 10, a lot even earlier than Coples, usually at #7.

The Brown comparison is completely off. There was no consensus of him being a top 10 talent by all scouts. He came out of a school that historically has had problems with ends adapting to the NFL (FSU), unlike South Carolina, who has established edge rushers like Abraham in the NFL.

There's plenty of guys in the NFL Ingram's size that get as many sacks as anybody a year, yet you want to cling to one description of one player that nobody outside of Panthers fans even compares him to.

Dude will be as good, if not better, than Coples.

Isn't Julius Peppers a good DE from UNC? How about Marcus Jones? (he was pretty good as well) and Vonnie Holiday was a DE before he moved to DT. Hes been very serviceable.

[Keith Moons Liver]

What's your point, homer?

Coples had 18 sacks in two years as a starter, Ingram had 19 in two years -only one of those he was starting because of solid depth, yet he still manages more sacks than Coples against better guards & tackles in the best conference there is.

Ingram was played off the edge, up the middle as a tackle on 3rd down (like the Giants NASCAR package) even better at it than Coples was, and played coverage. He's gotten interceptions in both coverage & edge rushing.

Not buying this. The SEC has much better college teams than the ACC, but I'm not for a second convinced they have better players, certainly not at the top. The ACC has held its own when it comes to putting players in the NFL which is what should matter to us, not which teams goto BCS bowls. Drafting a player based on what power conference they play in is just silly.

[unicar15]

I think its funny that you call me a homer when I'm an NCSU alumn that hates UNC about as much as anyone on the planet...but I also recognize rare talent and that's what Coples is. If you weren't listening and reading about the mess that happened at UNC during the last two seasons Coples was at Carolina then you will probalby say that he underachieved. The rest of us know that he was playing in about the worst situation imaginable because of an AD that turned a blind eye and a coach that was running a dirty program.

We can agree to disagree about this but Melvin Ingram doesn't have the every down ability that Coples has IF Coples brings it every sunday...and thats about the only knock I've heard on Coples. Isn't that why you hire a guy like Rivera? To get the best out of guys that other coaches might just leave alone?

As of now I haven't heard about us going to meet with either of the DEs though so maybe all the talk is for nothing and Hurney isn't considering a DE in the first. My only point right now is that Coples has the ability to be a bigger difference maker than Ingram. Ingram is maxed out at his height for weight. If he gets bigger than 275 he will move like a DT...not a DE. Coples could stand to get in better shape (which is why he didn't blow away the combine IMO), probably add 10 MORE pounds to his frame and at the same time improve his quickness.