Panthers To Be In Cap Trouble In 2013 Too?

[ladypanther]

I trust the Panters have a plan. Am not worried.

[unicar15]

Rumor I hear is that Dwill's deal is heavy Front loaded as well as a couple of the others. Again its a rumor, but would make some kinda sense.

Ha so Hurney put himself in a situation where he wouldn't have to make a tough decision and he can just keep Deangelo around for minimal money...makes sense.

[DawgzLife]

Rumor I hear is that Dwill's deal is heavy Front loaded as well as a couple of the others. Again its a rumor, but would make some kinda sense.

Not from what I've seen. This is from sportracon DWill's contract:

"Contract:5 yr(s) / $43,000,000 Signing Bonus $16,000,000 Average Salary $8,600,000

End Year:2015

Base Salary S. Bonus Misc. Bonus Cap Hit

2011 3,200,000 3,200,000

2012 5,250,000 3,200,000 8,450,000

2013 4,750,000 3,200,000 7,950,000

2014 5,750,000 3,200,000 8,950,000

2015 6,750,000 3,200,000 9,950,000

2016 UFA

• $21 million guaranteed
  
• Signing bonus: $16 million"
  

EDIT: Formatting (was hard to read)

[panthers55]

Don't forget 2014, looks like Panthers in equally bad position that year also:

Clayton has reported that the bump in the 2014 cap will be similar to the increase from 2012 to 2013. So let’s say the 2014 cap is a little over $121 million. I also got a look at what each team has committed toward the 2014 cap, and that’s when things should get a little better for NFC South teams, with one big exception: Carolina. The Panthers already have $117.2 million committed to 26 players. Only Philadelphia ($117.3 million) has more committed to the 2014 cap.

The Saints have $83.3 million committed toward 19 players.

The Buccaneers have $79.8 million committed to 21 players.

The Falcons have $75.6 million committed to 18 players.,

So when the Saints sign Brees long term if he agrees to a contract, it will easily cost 20 million. So suddenly the Saints have now committed 103 million for 20 players. that averages out to over 5 million a player. Which is more than the Panthers who have about 4.5 million committed per player.

Saints are screwed more than we are.

[panthers55]

Not from what I've seen. This is from sportracon DWill's contract:

"Contract:5 yr(s) / $43,000,000 Signing Bonus $16,000,000 Average Salary $8,600,000 End Year:2015 Free Agent:2016 / Unrestricted Base Salary S. Bonus Misc. Bonus Cap Hit 2011 - 3,200,000 - 3,200,000 2012 5,250,000 3,200,000 - 8,450,000 2013 4,750,000 3,200,000 - 7,950,000 2014 5,750,000 3,200,000 - 8,950,000 2015 6,750,000 3,200,000 - 9,950,000 2016 UFA

• $21 million guaranteed
  
• Signing bonus: $16 million"
  

If Williams is still productive he will be restructured. If he declines he will be released as a June 1 cut. I don't think anyone thinks he will see all that contract money.

[Kurb]

Not from what I've seen. This is from sportracon DWill's contract:

"Contract:5 yr(s) / $43,000,000 Signing Bonus $16,000,000 Average Salary $8,600,000

End Year:2015

Base Salary S. Bonus Misc. Bonus Cap Hit

2011 3,200,000 3,200,000

2012 5,250,000 3,200,000 8,450,000

2013 4,750,000 3,200,000 7,950,000

2014 5,750,000 3,200,000 8,950,000

2015 6,750,000 3,200,000 9,950,000

2016 UFA

• $21 million guaranteed
  
• Signing bonus: $16 million"
  

EDIT: Formatting (was hard to read)

Not sure how much faith I put in that website.

NFL contract details aren't usually that disclosed.

Like I said, it was a rumor.

[Growl]

lol cap space.

[carpanfan96]

The Williams Contract is pretty much spot on and is easy to figure out once you factor in last years numbers and this seasons numbers. The second number is the bonus cap number for the players signing bonus.

2012 5.25 / 3.2 = 8.45 (If Cut, Cap hit of over 17 million dollars)

2013 4.75 / 3.2 = 7.95 (If Cut, Cap hit of over 9 million dollars

2014 5.75 / 3.2 = 8.95 (If Cut, Cap hit of over 6 million dollars)

2015 6.75 / 3.2 = 9.95 (If Cut, Cap hit of 3.2 million dollars)

So you see that the first season the Panther's can cut Williams and it not cost them money ("With out an extension/restructure before hand") Is the 2014 season.

Johnson's deal is even worse though

2012 - 4.75 / 5 = 9.75 (Cap hit of 25 Million if cut)

2013 - 6.75 / 5 = 11.75 (Cap hit = 20 Million)

2014 - 8.75 / 5 = 13.75 (Cap hit = 15 Million)

2015 - 9.75 / 5 = 14.75 (Cap hit = 10 Million)

2016 - 10.75 / 5 = 15.75 (Cap hit = 5 Million)

CJ can't be cut till the 2015 season, really his contract is set where he'll most likely see all of the money or all of it but the 2016 season.

Thomas Davis and Beason both have large future numbers as well, Anderson's are decent and manageable though.

What's really going to have this team in a pickle is the 2015 season, like 10 players making over 100 million dollars and that's not counting the massive contract that Newton is going to get.

[jtnc]

Jesus Christ Hurney.

[cultclassiccat]

Mr Touchdown..please explain or gfy

[panthers55]

The Williams Contract is pretty much spot on and is easy to figure out once you factor in last years numbers and this seasons numbers. The second number is the bonus cap number for the players signing bonus.

2012 5.25 / 3.2 = 8.45 (If Cut, Cap hit of over 17 million dollars)

2013 4.75 / 3.2 = 7.95 (If Cut, Cap hit of over 9 million dollars

2014 5.75 / 3.2 = 8.95 (If Cut, Cap hit of over 6 million dollars)

2015 6.75 / 3.2 = 9.95 (If Cut, Cap hit of 3.2 million dollars)

So you see that the first season the Panther's can cut Williams and it not cost them money ("With out an extension/restructure before hand") Is the 2014 season.

Johnson's deal is even worse though

2012 - 4.75 / 5 = 9.75 (Cap hit of 25 Million if cut)

2013 - 6.75 / 5 = 11.75 (Cap hit = 20 Million)

2014 - 8.75 / 5 = 13.75 (Cap hit = 15 Million)

2015 - 9.75 / 5 = 14.75 (Cap hit = 10 Million)

2016 - 10.75 / 5 = 15.75 (Cap hit = 5 Million)

CJ can't be cut till the 2015 season, really his contract is set where he'll most likely see all of the money or all of it but the 2016 season.

Thomas Davis and Beason both have large future numbers as well, Anderson's are decent and manageable though.

What's really going to have this team in a pickle is the 2015 season, like 10 players making over 100 million dollars and that's not counting the massive contract that Newton is going to get.

At some point unless the league keeps borrowing money against the future TV earning like they supposedly did in 2014, the increased revenue from the TV contract has to kick in. If it ever does, that should increase the cap. Even if it doesn't increase, at some point, you have to get rid of vets who are too expensive unless they are hugely productive. If we bring a DE on a 4 year contract in the first, they will be looking for a huge deal in 2016. Something will have to give.

[cotblock]

At some point unless the league keeps borrowing money against the future TV earning like they supposedly did in 2014, the increased revenue from the TV contract has to kick in. If it ever does, that should increase the cap. Even if it doesn't increase, at some point, you have to get rid of vets who are too expensive unless they are hugely productive. If we bring a DE on a 4 year contract in the first, they will be looking for a huge deal in 2016. Something will have to give.

We are below the Mason-Dixon line and given the Wonderlic scores of some of these guys, think we could pay some of them in confederate money?

[Matthias]

Panthers to be in cap trouble in 2013 to?

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[Urrymonster]

Don't forget 2014, looks like Panthers in equally bad position that year also:

Clayton has reported that the bump in the 2014 cap will be similar to the increase from 2012 to 2013. So let’s say the 2014 cap is a little over $121 million. I also got a look at what each team has committed toward the 2014 cap, and that’s when things should get a little better for NFC South teams, with one big exception: Carolina. The Panthers already have $117.2 million committed to 26 players. Only Philadelphia ($117.3 million) has more committed to the 2014 cap.

The Saints have $83.3 million committed toward 19 players.

The Buccaneers have $79.8 million committed to 21 players.

The Falcons have $75.6 million committed to 18 players.,

2014 Falcons = $4.38 million per player

2014 Buccs = $3.8 million per player

2014 Saints = $4.38 million per player

2014 Panthers = $4.50 million per player

Stats can be manipulated to prove a point, at the end of the day we are all pretty much in the same boat other than the Buccs. But then the Buccs have half the talent as all the other teams.