Coming Down To Coples Or Kuechly

[Fiz]

Why not do some research on how many tackles for a loss he had this year and compare that to Willis who was such a great SEC backer. Then elaborate on how the MLB which is the 4-3 equivalent of the ILB position in the 3-4 is being phasedd out in the NFL.

All BC produces are shitty QBs and linebackers with cancer.

[Fiz]

Then elaborate on how the MLB which is the 4-3 equivalent of the ILB position in the 3-4 is being phasedd out in the NFL.

Well I'm actually not trolling here.

With the advent of a spread offense it's less important to have good linebackers as opposed to every other position. And it's dumb to compare ILB in a 4-3 to a 3-4, since there's no single system for either base format anymore, and they do different things depending on the coach.

I need to make a thread about how the linebacker position is going if I get time. It's just the natural evolution of the game.

[panthers55]

All BC produces are shitty QBs and linebackers with cancer.

A little biased perhaps. Here is a list for easy reference.

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/colleges/bostoncol/

[panthers55]

Well I'm actually not trolling here.

With the advent of a spread offense it's less important to have good linebackers as opposed to every other position. And it's dumb to compare ILB in a 4-3 to a 3-4, since there's no single system for either base format anymore, and they do different things depending on the coach.

I need to make a thread about how the linebacker position is going if I get time. It's just the natural evolution of the game.

Just the opposite really. With the spread offense stretching the field there is an increased focus on using running backs in the passing game and going to tight ends who cause mismatches. Both are covered by linebackers. What is changing is that many OLBs are converted defensive ends or tweeners instead of traditional linebackers in college.

And no the ILB in the 3-4 are very similar in general responsibilities to the MLB in the 4-3 in terms of skill sets. Using your logic we would have to avoid even comparing Mike backers in a 4-3 since responsibilities in a Tampa 2 is very different than in Jim Johnson's 4-3 scheme.

[Coheed]

The more and more I think about it, the more I like Keuchly would be a good idea.

I think it'd improve are rush defense a noticeable bit as well as provide some Beason insurance, and if Beason comes back 100%, give us the best LB corps in the NFL.

Our interior could still use some help, but there's no real DL worthy of the 9th pick in my opinion, and I think it'd be more beneficial to us to take a "great" LB with the 9th than a "good" DL at the 9th.

[micnificent28]

That analysis was done before the combine when folks thought that was true. The fact that his measurables was in the top 3 on almost every drill measuring speed, athleticism, and strength put all that to bed. Anyone keeping up with things knows that holds no water. Go look at his combine results and Patrick Willis's and compare them and then get back to me. Anyone who still thinks he is not a great athlete with great measurables and production doesn't have a clue. Just like he put on 8-9 lbs before the combine and still kept his speed. So again how about getting up to speed so you can keep up. What people thought was that he wasn't that fast, but now they realize he is faster than he looks. But his production on the field surpasses everyone. Probably the bias about being white. Sad but true.

How many sacks did Willis have in his college career??? 6 total. Through his junior year he had 3 which puts Kuechly ahead since Willis didn't even smell the field his freshmen year. Amazing what you learn when you actually do some research instead of cut and paste the first scouting report you come across.

Game film doesn't lie. The reason you had to wait til the combine to even say that Luke is a good athlete proves he's not that great of a athlete. Patrick willis ran a 4.37 at his pro day are you really going to compare him to luke kucechly. The fact is the kid will make a great inside LB who isn't asked to make plays on the edge and pressure the QB. That is not what we need. He would come into our rotation and instantly slower than Davis,beason and prob james anderson. Floyd ran a 4.43 at the combine but no is claiming he is going to be a deep threat, it just doesn't show up on film. Luke is a inside backer not what we need period. We just let one tackling LB walk just to draft another one?

[CRA]

Game film doesn't lie. The reason you had to wait til the combine to even say that Luke is a good athlete proves he's not that great of a athlete. Patrick willis ran a 4.37 at his pro day are you really going to compare him to luke kucechly. The fact is the kid will make a great inside LB who isn't asked to make plays on the edge and pressure the QB. That is not what we need. He would come into our rotation and instantly slower than Davis,beason and prob james anderson. Floyd ran a 4.43 at the combine but no is claiming he is going to be a deep threat, it just doesn't show up on film. Luke is a inside backer not what we need period. We just let one tackling LB walk just to draft another one?

Why don't you compare combine 40 times for all those guys.....the reason you didn't is bc it makes your point invalid.

Kuechly, Willis and Anderson all ran 4.5s.

Beason and TD were 4.7 and 4.6

Pro day times are bs

[panthers55]

Game film doesn't lie. The reason you had to wait til the combine to even say that Luke is a good athlete proves he's not that great of a athlete. Patrick willis ran a 4.37 at his pro day are you really going to compare him to luke kucechly. The fact is the kid will make a great inside LB who isn't asked to make plays on the edge and pressure the QB. That is not what we need. He would come into our rotation and instantly slower than Davis,beason and prob james anderson. Floyd ran a 4.43 at the combine but no is claiming he is going to be a deep threat, it just doesn't show up on film. Luke is a inside backer not what we need period. We just let one tackling LB walk just to draft another one?

Patrick Willis ran a 4.51 in the combine which is better controlled and more accurate. Pro days are held in the athletes back yard with their own folks. The times are notoriously unreliable. So yeah I think a 4.51 and a 4.59 are very similar. Why not measure the more important ones like the 3 cone drills and the agility drills which are more important.

I guess you didn't know that Kuechly played WLB his freshmen year and was second in the nation in tackles.

But seriously I am not going to waste my time defending the Butkus award winner who was selected the best linebacker in college football because you don't think much of him. You have not even watched any coaches game film so how in the world would you have a clue what showed up or how he did?? How many games of his have you even watched. Seriously why not try and tear down a guy who you have a small chance of being listened to about. You are way out on a limb here with nothing to support your opinion but your own. At least when I make an opinion it is informed with facts and some reasons to believe how I do. You have nothing.

[micnificent28]

Patrick Willis ran a 4.51 in the combine which is better controlled and more accurate. Pro days are held in the athletes back yard with their own folks. The times are notoriously unreliable. So yeah I think a 4.51 and a 4.59 are very similar. Why not measure the more important ones like the 3 cone drills and the agility drills which are more important.

I guess you didn't know that Kuechly played WLB his freshmen year and was second in the nation in tackles.

But seriously I am not going to waste my time defending the Butkus award winner who was selected the best linebacker in college football because you don't think much of him. You have not even watched any coaches game film so how in the world would you have a clue what showed up or how he did?? How many games of his have you even watched. Seriously why not try and tear down a guy who you have a small chance of being listened to about. You are way out on a limb here with nothing to support your opinion but your own. At least when I make an opinion it is informed with facts and some reasons to believe how I do. You have nothing.

It's also a fact that he ran the 40 3 times to get those times. I watched the combine. The Guy just isn't that fast on the field period. Like i said he's a great inside backer. All i care about in davis's replacement is can the guy put pressure on the QB. Luke just hasn't shown that he can do that. If we needed a inside backer I would be all aboard but the fact is we need to improve our pass rush. He doesn't do that no matter what facts you want to dig up to support your claims the production and game film doesn't lie. Yes he won the butkus for making tackles which he does well. Every scout out there state the guy isn't a pass rusher so again why do we need him?

[Fiz]

Using your logic we would have to avoid even comparing Mike backers in a 4-3 since responsibilities in a Tampa 2 is very different than in Jim Johnson's 4-3 scheme.

Well, yeah.

[panthers55]

It's also a fact that he ran the 40 3 times to get those times. I watched the combine. The Guy just isn't that fast on the field period. Like i said he's a great inside backer. All i care about in davis's replacement is can the guy put pressure on the QB. Luke just hasn't shown that he can do that. If we needed a inside backer I would be all aboard but the fact is we need to improve our pass rush. He doesn't do that no matter what facts you want to dig up to support your claims the production and game film doesn't lie. Yes he won the butkus for making tackles which he does well. Every scout out there state the guy isn't a pass rusher so again why do we need him?

Again the guys who watch football for a living and have access to coaches film think he was the best linebacker in the country and voted him as such before the combine. And you think without the benefit of any such tape based on your own opinion that he didn't play as fast as he actually is. I bet you might even find one of those draft pundits who said he was not athletic before the combine and then was proven wrong would use that lame excuse. If he didn't look that fast it was a misperception on their part not a reality. Likely influenced I suspect by a stereotypical attitude about a white linebacker. Again if a pass rush by the linebackers is important then lets get rid of Davis, Beason, and Anderson because none of them have ever had more than 3 1/2 sacks in any professional season for the Panthers. Lets ignore that Fox didn't stress blitzing by the linebackers like most 3-4 teams. Since they all haven't done it, obviously they can't, right??? For that matter we shouldn't have made Davis a linebacker at all since he was a safety in college and never played that position. That means he would be bad at it and totally fail, right???

[DaCityKats]

would rather have Mychal Kendricks, Shea McClellin, Bobby Wagner, or Donta Hightower in the 2nd round.3 out 4 brings pass rush to the table which is a key to the defense.

[HeatCheck]

Bobby Wagner is intriguing because he can play both outside and inside.

[DaCityKats]

so can the other 3 prospects i named.will also add Brown to that list,each guy has the ability to blitz and cover.as well as play in and outside.