Before The Saints Fan Claim "oh, That Is Said In Every Locker Room"

[Johnny Rockets]

Saints fans and Drew Brees can go suck it. They are cheaters of the highest order and their Superbowl title should be revoked. What williams did is as bad a thing as you can do in Football and there is no way around it. The bastard should be banned for life.

I for one hope the players that had the highest bounties get together and file suits and that criminal charges come against ALL that participated in this bull poo

That would be ridiculous....every high profile player in the league or player that played with an injured body part could file charges against every almost everyother defensive player in the league then. Punish the Saints for covering it up and not stopping it when they were told to but the bounty thing has and always will be a joke.

[Zod]

Is there any way we can wrap Philadelphia up in this crap? They deserve it too.

[Mr. Scot]

I started playing football when I was 8 years old and continued through high school, so I spent a significant portion of my young life listening to speeches from coaches. Between head coaches and assistants, I was probably coached by 20 different guys in that time.

At no point in any of those speeches - practice, pre-game, halftime, whatever - did any coach ever direct me or anyone else to go after a specific body part on a certain player, including their head. Just the opposite, we were always coached strongly against hitting in the head or with the head.

And to be clear, there weren't easygoing guys. I learned George Carlin's seven dirty words (and more) from my pee-wee coach. By the time I got to high school that was part and parcel. My junior high coach was the only guy I never heard use a foul word. but in persona he was arguably the most aggressive of the bunch.

No, I haven't played in the pros, or even college (wasn't good enough) but the point is this:

The people suggesting that stuff like the specific targeting of players and body parts goes on everywhere from the youth level on up are completely wrong. Are there bad apples out there? Sure, and certainly more these days than there were when I was a kid, but I'm still involved these days with coaching kids as a volunteer and with men who coach for a living, and not a single one of them would condone anything of this sort.

And the ones who do? As mentioned by others previously, they tend to get called out.

Bottom Line: There is absolutely no justification for this crap, none.

You want to argue "everybody's doing it"? Go ahead, but the reality is that everyone who gets caught doing it gets busted, and deservedly so.

[Riverboat Ron]

but..but...the Saints are "America's Team" so they don't have to follow rules or be decent human beings. What gives you the audacity to think the Roger Goodell has the power to derail Breesus and nail Sean Payton to a cross? It's just not fair! Lets cry and protest, that'll change everything and Goodell will be suspended and we'll get back our first rounder. SHAME ON YOU!

[Johnny Rockets]

Is there any way we can wrap Philadelphia up in this crap? They deserve it too.

I am sure you could because despite what Mr. Scott thinks....every team does it. Not to the extent of a deranged Greg Williams, but it is done. Funny how I haven't heard one player (former or current) say they have never heard of such a thing only several that say something similar goes on all the time. Again, maybe not to the extent of what Gregg Williams did but they all try to take out players from the other team...most just do it via legal hits or a bit of an extra twist in the pile.

[Mr. Scot]

I am sure you could because despite what Mr. Scott thinks....every team does it. Not to the extent of a deranged Greg Williams, but it is done. Funny how I haven't heard one player (former or current) say they have never heard of such a thing only several that say something similar goes on all the time. Again, maybe not to the extent of what Gregg Williams did but they all try to take out players from the other team...most just do it via legal hits or a bit of an extra twist in the pile.

That's kind of the point.

And it's not true that every team tries to actually injure players. I seriously doubt it's even a majority of them. Every team hits hard and plays tough, but most of them know there's a line you don't cross.

Worth remembering that a lot of these guys are playing against good friends and former pro/college/high school teammates. They're not going to condone someone deliberately injuring a friend of theirs.

Does dirty stuff happen in the piles? Yep. I've been at the bottom of several of those pile-ups myself. Been scratched, punched in the ribs, kicked in the groin and numerous other things, and that wasn't even at anything close to the pro level. Guys will do about anything to get the ball, but to go from there to suggest every team deliberately tries to injure people is too big a leap.

[Kevin Greene]

Sean Pamphilon calls Gregg Williams an arrogant coward

In a lengthy passage, Pamphilon also recounts what he heard Williams tell his players about playing the game his way:

“’We make no apologies for the way we play the game,’ Williams said in a tone which suggested that he actually had the balls to put on a uniform and do the very things he was ordering his players to do, much less be on the receiving end of the blows he was ordering up.

“I don’t have those balls.

“You don’t have those balls.

“And Gregg Williams most definitely does not have those balls.

“It’s a cowards play to send someone off to do your malicious bidding. I’m sure many of his players would have told him this if they weren’t scared to lose their jobs or look like bitches in front of their teammates. Or if they weren’t 25 and couldn’t possibly have a fully developed perspective on life.”

LOL

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/04/05/sean-pamphilon-calls-gregg-williams-an-arrogant-coward/

[Brooklyn Bully]

Frank Garcia said we did this in the Green Bay Playoff game back in the day. I don't think coaches were involved but he said the players were talking money for taking someone out of the game.

[Kevin Greene]

I started playing football when I was 8 years old and continued through high school, so I spent a significant portion of my young life listening to speeches from coaches. Between head coaches and assistants, I was probably coached by 20 different guys in that time.

At no point in any of those speeches - practice, pre-game, halftime, whatever - did any coach ever direct me or anyone else to go after a specific body part on a certain player, including their head. Just the opposite, we were always coached strongly against hitting in the head or with the head.

And to be clear, there weren't easygoing guys. I learned George Carlin's seven dirty words (and more) from my pee-wee coach. By the time I got to high school that was part and parcel. My junior high coach was the only guy I never heard use a foul word. but in persona he was arguably the most aggressive of the bunch.

No, I haven't played in the pros, or even college (wasn't good enough) but the point is this:

You really need to stop comparing your pop warner or high school football experience to an NFL locker room.

[Mr. Scot]

You really need to stop comparing your pop warner or high school football experience to an NFL locker room.

In response to this...

Don't worry there's already a few pages over on TardsReport detailing how 'everyone says stuff like that' and how their Pee-Wee league coach apparently said things similar.

You've got people saying this stuff happens all over at all levels. I say that's crap.

Yeah, there are bad apples, but the notion that even at the pee-wee level coaches routinely encourage injuries is false.

[SamTheRam]

_{Back in the day, this was the rule not the exception. Specific examples that I know of....Buddy Ryan, Jerry Glanville, just about any coach pre-1980....hell there was a story about the Giants being told to go after that 49ers returner because of past concussions.}

[Dpantherman]

^^ thats something else I'm sick of... "Well, back in the day..."

Its not "back in the day". Its 2012, get with it.

[PanthersAlv]

Frank Garcia said we did this in the Green Bay Playoff game back in the day. I don't think coaches were involved but he said the players were talking money for taking someone out of the game.

but that's thing, not coaches. no organization.

[PhillyB]

these jackasses watched the karate kid and pulled for johnny