How Bad Do We Need A Cb? Read This!

[cotblock]

I honestly can not understand why folks are wanting Janoris or relying on Hogan as alternatives to drafting Gilmore or DRe.

You think CB is our biggest need. I don't. In fact, I think LB and DT are bigger needs. Given that, why would I use our only first round pick on what I consider to be the team's 3rd most pressing need? That is what doesn't make sense. At least at CB we have a prospect that may be really good. Same with DT. But who do we have at LB? Right now, 2 guys coming off of career-threatening injuries, one who will be playing on a ghost of a knee and another who will be at best, according to the odds, 80-85% of his old self. Now, perhaps Beason can beat the odds...hell, if he plays at all he's already beaten the odds...but lets say he goes even further and comes back at 90% of his old self. Will having Dre or Gilmore help us reach the playoffs if we have Anderson/90% Beason/Senn at LB? Remember our DC and his scheme, you know, the one that relies heavily on LBs to make plays and disrupt the passing game?

Go back and examine who the best rookie CB was last year. How did he do in coverage? Should we expect Dre or Gilmore to surpass that? I certainly don't expect Hogan to surpass that if he is the starter. Will that be better than Capt.? Probably, but not by a lot. When was the last rookie CB who had a huge impact apart from ST? Compare that to DT and LB...rookies impact virtually every year. Good CB play is a product of multiple years of experience.

I've been saying all along that we should trade our 9th pick...even if Claiborne is available...for multiple picks. That way we can get a minimum of 3 good players in the first 2 rounds...hopefully at least one of which will have a pretty significant impact this year. We do need another CB, but not at the expense of our only first round pick. If we can trade that for a lower first rounder and another 2nd, hopefully we can land Gilmore, who I'd pick over Dre every time. But using our 9th pick on a CB is, for me, not a good move.

Then again, if we trade up to take Claiborne, I won't think the sky is falling. I'll just be reminded that our staff knows way more than I do.

[HeatCheck]

Whatever man. Excuse me for not being able to keep up with this guys rap sheet. Let the BENGALS take a chance on him. He is not PANTHER MATERIAL. Remember Rae. What is gonna happen when JJ knocks up yet another young lady. Potential Cromartie type situation. Is the FO gonna have pony up a 1/4 to 1/2 million for chid support one day?

Well if you going to make such a strong statement I'd hope you get your facts straights. And I am not sure how your going to react when I tell you those bar fight charges got dismissed.

Oh, Rae Carruth. Yeah I am sure Janoris is going to murder someone...let's back off. First off that's an awful comparison because Rae didn't have any issues in college. So that's where that ends. Everyone is different and to base a decision off Rae Carruth, who is one of a kind, is crazy. You have to judge Janoris separately.

[cotblock]

cotblock, on 05 April 2012 - 08:32 AM, said:

Brandon Hogan.

Is that supposed to be me "parading" and "touting" Hogan as "the answer?"

Again, is this where I write, "hyperbole, FTW?"

[Argus Plexus]

Is that supposed to be me "parading" and "touting" Hogan as "the answer?"

Again, is this where I write, "hyperbole, FTW?"

Perhaps not parading, but you touted him as the answer there. Or at least that's what you implied, since you're talking about what I was implying.

[cotblock]

Perhaps not parading, but you touted him as the answer there. Or at least that's what you implied, since you're talking about what I was implying.

All I implied was that we don't need a CB that badly (thread title awareness, FTW ;)) because we already have a young promising CB on the roster...apparently many folks forget that. The fact is, in other threads, I have stated that if Hogan starts, we shouldn't expect too much from him since he is basically a rookie himself. BTW, that was in the poll thread specifically on whether Hogan is "the answer."

[top dawg]

I wouldn't trade up to take Claiborne from what I've seen. Blackmon will be gone, and the more I look at all these guys, I think we can get some equal talent in round 2 (and maybe even 3), so I don't hate the idea of trading down at all.

We may as well get used to the idea of drafting mid to late anyway because we are only going to get better. The FO is going to have to do its due diligence to find guys on the cusp to find overlooked gems for years to come. Gonna have to be more like the Steelers and Patriots and less like the Raiders and Redskins.

[Argus Plexus]

All I implied was that we don't need a CB that badly (thread title awareness, FTW ;)) because we already have a young promising CB on the roster...apparently many folks forget that. The fact is, in other threads, I have stated that if Hogan starts, we shouldn't expect too much from him since he is basically a rookie himself. BTW, that was in the poll thread specifically on whether Hogan is "the answer."

What is all that promising? I haven't seen much from him to suggest he's any more promising than Butler and the other nobodys.

[cotblock]

What is all that promising? I haven't seen much from him to suggest he's any more promising than Butler and the other nobodys.

Rivera thinks he's promising. He was highly rated until his off-field issues and then late injury. If Rivera and co. are convinced he has cleared both of those hurdles, then I see no reason not to regard him as "promising." We'll see a little more clearly what the coaches think of him come draft day. My bet is we don't take a corner at 9, even if Claiborne is there.

[Argus Plexus]

Rivera thinks he's promising. He was highly rated until his off-field issues and then late injury. If Rivera and co. are convinced he has cleared both of those hurdles, then I see no reason not to regard him as "promising." We'll see a little more clearly what the coaches think of him come draft day. My bet is we don't take a corner at 9, even if Claiborne is there.

I'm thinking they might take Fletcher Cox.

[cotblock]

I'm thinking they might take Fletcher Cox.

He's certainly a possibility. He's the best DT in the draft, imo, so I wouldn't mind taking him at 9. I'm still hoping we can trade the pick for multiple picks and pick up an extra prospect. If we do take Cox at 9, then who we take in the 2nd will tell us what the staff really thinks of Hogan. If it's a CB, they probably aren't real confident in Hogan; if it's any other position, Hogan is probably the favorite to be the starter.

[Argus Plexus]

He's certainly a possibility. He's the best DT in the draft, imo, so I wouldn't mind taking him at 9. I'm still hoping we can trade the pick for multiple picks and pick up an extra prospect. If we do take Cox at 9, then who we take in the 2nd will tell us what the staff really thinks of Hogan. If it's a CB, they probably aren't real confident in Hogan; if it's any other position, Hogan is probably the favorite to be the starter.

Anyone but Money.

[cotblock]

One other thing...don't rule out Captain. I know he's small and played pretty poorly last year, but the guy has a chip on his shoulder. I have no doubt that he's been working his butt off and plans to be the starter and prove all the detractors wrong. One thing I'll give him...like all the great ones, he uses criticism as fuel. He may not have the physical tools to be the starter...but no one has more determination. I honestly think Hogan is probably better, but I'm not gonna rule Captain out until the coaches decide. At any rate, a guy like that is really important to the team because the harder he works, the harder the others have to work to pass him. That's always a good thing.

[Argus Plexus]

One other thing...don't rule out Captain. I know he's small and played pretty poorly last year, but the guy has a chip on his shoulder. I have no doubt that he's been working his butt off and plans to be the starter and prove all the detractors wrong. One thing I'll give him...like all the great ones, he uses criticism as fuel. He may not have the physical tools to be the starter...but no one has more determination. I honestly think Hogan is probably better, but I'm not gonna rule Captain out until the coaches decide. At any rate, a guy like that is really important to the team because the harder he works, the harder the others have to work to pass him. That's always a good thing.

Never said he was shitty, just not a starter

[DawgzLife]

He's certainly a possibility. He's the best DT in the draft, imo, so I wouldn't mind taking him at 9. I'm still hoping we can trade the pick for multiple picks and pick up an extra prospect. If we do take Cox at 9, then who we take in the 2nd will tell us what the staff really thinks of Hogan. If it's a CB, they probably aren't real confident in Hogan; if it's any other position, Hogan is probably the favorite to be the starter.

If it's Cox, I think the DBs already improve. We had 'No' inside pass rush last year, except when CJ made & inside move. Our last of high quality CBs, not ocunting Gamble of course, is even more exposed without the pass rush inside.

We literally had 1 NFL starting quality CB last year. I hope we do take a corner, but maybe in the 3rd. We need DT & OLB, as I think you menitoned. In the 3rd, we have a chance at guys like Montana's Tremain Johnson (I would LOVE Jaron Hosley, but he should be gone by the 3rd, 'maybe' even by our 2nd rd pick). I just hope the coaching staff got a 'real' chance to know what they have in Hogan. I'll say what I've said before, this is a good draft for CBs.

If they did get to assess Hogan in depth, then we need to leave it to their judgement on what else we need. By picking up the safety Smith from the 49rs, I think he may be able to be brought in against some of the TEs (he's 6'1"). Munnerlyn can play the slot effectively for the most part (but not against the really big guys & our current OLBs can't cover guys like that...which is why OLBs with the size & speed of Z. Brown or L. David are intriguing).

We do need to remember that Gamble is getting older too. He has this year & next on his contract; if he wants the same kind of contract he will not be re-signed, so within 2 years we need 2 starting CBs, that's why I wouldn't mind a CB fairly early in the draft.