Justin Blackmon To Visit Panthers

[koolkatluke]

Quit with the madden crap dude.

How many of those big WR are in the league?

Only Larry, Calvin, and Andre are doing anything. The rest are at best third WR.

Like I said before, this new trend of the tall and fast WR, only been going around recently. And it's even harder to find a tall and fast WR, and thats who i listed above. Usually you will find a tall WR with average speed only.

How many tall WR can you count that have made or is a future hall of famer? Not many.

So going back to last night, would you take Hill before Blackmon? Hes way much taller and faster than Blackmon. And college productions doesn't always translate to the NFL right? So take him.

Most of the top 5 wr are. Both of the All Pro WR are.

[MHS831]

Lol at how childish you are.

I am 9 years old, living with my parents and playing Madden in the basement. -And you just lost an argument with me.

[carolina-chuck]

I am 9 years old, living with my parents and playing Madden in the basement. -And you just lost an argument with me.

Lol. At least you admit it.

This is off topic, but please tell me you're not no Maiden Blue Devils

[HeatCheck]

RK that is pretty much how it works. That is why Brockers is rated a better DT then Stills who had better production. The word is potenial.

Yeah but there are other factors that went into that "ranking." One, Still is a one year wonder, questions about him turning it on. He has an injury past. It's most certainly not all about potential and upside. If that's the case RGIII would be number one pick. There are so many other factors that go into evaluating players. So I'm not sure "that's pretty much how it works."

[top dawg]

Top dog you never make a point. You always get in debate with little to no facts. But then act like you are some super Gm. Really????

Since you didn't get my point let me explain to the 3rd grader. Cox doesn't have to be Suh. He just has to be Fletcher Cox. Which is pretty good.

By the same token smartass. There might not be a Suh in this draft but there sure isn't a Megatron, Fitz, AJ green, or Andre Johnson type wr either.

You are one of the main ones who acts like your opinions are straight-up facts. Moreover, you obviously skip over the fact that people offer their opinions as opinions and not facts. But you continually skip over that part in order to prove your pseudo knowledge of what it takes to run a football team, coach (I suppose in order to stroke your ego). I am a fan, pure and simple. I know what I see, like what I like and hate what I hate. I have been watching football in earnest for the last going on 36 years, and don't need some GM wannabe acting like his opinion is from Football Jesus.

And I'd rather be a "smartass" than a dumb ass. Keep it above the belt, and I will do the same. Don't get your panties all up in a wad because someone has a different opinion than yours.

[koolkatluke]

Yeah but there are other factors that went into that "ranking." One, Still is a one year wonder, questions about him turning it on. He has an injury past. It's most certainly not all about potential and upside. If that's the case RGIII would be number one pick. There are so many other factors that go into evaluating players. So I'm not sure "that's pretty much how it works."

The whole drafting thing is on upside every major sports draft on upside. What can this player be now and in the future is something every GM and scout ask himself. Poe was not a 1st round pick until the combine. Nothing in his game tape or college career says 1st round pick. But the fact that he is 6'3 345 and can run a fast 40 time and bench 225 45 times will make him a 1st round pick. Because some Coach and Coaching staff think they can make him the next Naga and guy like Jarred Crick who have better production will be drafted much later.

[HeatCheck]

Yeah but Crick clearly doesn't have the physical attributes of Poe. The physical attributes, which have always been there, are a possible reason he is viewed higher. It's not all about production. Also, Crick is coming off an injury. There is so much more that goes into drafting and evaluating players than upside. There have been plenty of cases where players are drafted and viewed higher because they can come in, produce right away, and be a solid starter for years to come. Sometimes the risk is not always worth the reward when it comes to upside. It's silly to think that every prospect is ranked higher over another because they have higher upside.

It sounds to me, that you think if someone produces on the collegiate level but doesn't have the physical measurables to coincide with the production then you think they have no potential. Players can produce at the NFL level without being athletic freaks.

[Mage]

I guess I need to be more specific in my concerns with Blackmon.

Admittedly, I might have been over exaggerating in saying that Blackmon over Jones is "laughable." However, Jones was a very underrated prospect last year. His perceived issues with drops improved his junior campaign, which tells me they were mental problems, not "he simply can't do it" problems. Blackmon is a fine YAC receiver, no doubt, but Jones takes it to another level due to his amazing strength and attacks the ball better than Blackmon ever has. Think Terrell Owens with Julio Jones - both have a nasty combination of size, strength, and speed with mental lapses when it comes to catching the ball. Also, while physical attributes don't mean everything obviously, they should be accounted for. You cannot ignore how fast Jones is. As far as route running goes, it's something that I take into account but for a guy like Jones, I don't think he needs to be able to run absolute crisp routes. Calvin Johnson was a poor route runner out of college and even though he's improved, it's not something that needs to be on the caliber of a Reggie Wayne, Steve Smith (NYG) as his physical attributes make up for it.

Justin Blackmon is a fine receiver. I wouldn't argue that. But when I say the following, I'm not trying to say he doesn't have "upside." But, I do not see wide receiver as a very key position. Thus, when I'm drafting in the top ten, if I'm going to take a wide receiver, I want guys who really have that potential to be a dominant, game-changing number one receiver. I don't see that in Blackmon. Yes, he has solid hands and is a fine route runner, but I don't see the sort of upside in him to be that kind of receiver like I did in Jones. Not only did Jones have that upside but he had the production to back it up and he had the development in his Junior season to prove that he could learn and improve.

That's why, as a prospect, I'd put Jones over Blackmon without any hesitation and I think the fact that Blackmon's stock is falling while JJ's continually rose is a testament that NFL scouts feel the same way. We all dislike Atlanta but I think we can all agree that their front office isn't stupid and I doubt they would have traded away what they did to jump to the #6 spot if they felt Jones was going to last much longer.

[HeatCheck]

Great post! I understand what you mean about selecting a WR in the top (especially here with our lack of D) needing to be a game changing receiver. Whether or not Blackmon turns into one is yet to be seen. But I will say I like what I have seen out of him and he certainly has the ability to do so. He might not be able to be drafted to such a good situation like Jones did to showcase what he can do. That is unless he fell to us. And I am not even saying I'd draft him, just have to give him a hard look.

For what it's worth, I am not ignoring Jones's speed, that's always a positive if used correctly. I am just not going to discount Blackmon's "lack of speed" because he makes up for it with great route running which creates his separation.

[MHS831]

Lol. At least you admit it.

This is off topic, but please tell me you're not no Maiden Blue Devils

No. Monroe.