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Interesting Coples Read

ClarkCam

By ClarkCam,
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I think Coples is a prospect who needs to be in a style of play where he comes hard off the ball and has some room to operate, with not a lot to read at the line of scrimmage. This is when he has played like a first-round pick.

But teams still will need to feel comfortable about his desire to play. To further examine this aspect of his game, I would do three things:

1. Watch the tape of his games from the past two years along with the Senior Bowl and have him explain what he did on every play.

2. Put him through an intense workout to see how he responds.

3. Interview both current and former personnel at North Carolina about him.

If he passes these three tests, I would take him in the first round, but not in the top 10.

Interesting part. Basically makes me wonder if he's a top 10 player now. Never looked at it this way. Part of his production drop off was because he moved to the inside and didn't play off the ball either. Also, Marvin Austin and Quinn weren't there to help him out. Maybe he was a product of his line? This could be a possibility.

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"I think Coples is a prospect who needs to be in a style of play where he comes hard off the ball and has some room to operate, with not a lot to read at the line of scrimmage. This is when he has played like a first-round pick."

This right here pretty much makes him a non-fit here in Carolina. When watching games last season Hardy and Johnson always did a good job controlling their gaps vs the run and getting outside pressure against QBs in passing attempts- in fact they do it pretty darn consistently. The issue was the entire interior section of our defense: inexperienced DTs, abysmal linebacker play (this was the biggest issue, will fix itself with beason tho), and poor safety play.

We simply do not have the luxury of plugging in Coples into a scheme as a pure pass rusher, and even if we did, would he even be that much of an upgrade over Hardy? We've hardly seen what Greg can do especially with a healthy set of starting linebackers behind him and some experience at DT next to him. Sure Coples is impressive physically at 6-6 285, but Hardy is pretty damn close at 6-4 275.

Honestly I think we are being pressured into this pick by mock draft analysts (or being misled by poorly informed analysts) due to him being similar to peppers. Sort of how when Deangelo/CJ were going to be FAs, we would let them walk, or now how everyone thinks we will trade Jstewart for something ridiculous like a 4th rounder. People see the panthers as a team meant to draft good players then unload them for next to nothing for the big media teams like the cowboys and jets.

After watching the Panthers staff do their evaluation in Cam last year and make the right pick despite all of the experts wrong opinion, I have every faith that they will NOT be pressured into a wrong pick. I am especially confident given Rivera's history of putting together top defenses everywhere he has been.

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After watching the Panthers staff do their evaluation in Cam last year and make the right pick despite all of the experts wrong opinion, I have every faith that they will NOT be pressured into a wrong pick. I am especially confident given Rivera's history of putting together top defenses everywhere he has been.

Oh no i definitely agree with you. With Rivera making the personnel choices we won't get baited into anything the media says (when hurney makes the choices though... ehhhhh). Thing about Cam was that he was (and still is) willing to do anything it takes to be great and has always given his best effort. Seeing his personal interviews really displayed this aspect of who he is and I'm sure it was immediately apparent to everyone in our organization after meeting with Cam.

The fact that Coples grades his own effort as a C is a head scratcher. There is no smear campaign going on with this kid like there was with Cam. That being said, if Rivera believes he has what it takes to succeed in the NFL then I'm confident in Coples as well.

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"1. Watch the tape of his games from the past two years along with the Senior Bowl and have him explain what he did on every play."

Is that a normal part of his evaluation/scouting process, or is that something he only does with certain players?

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The only way I can see Coples not going in the top 10 is if scouts think he's stupid and lazy in comparison to the other top players in the draft.

I used to think he was stupid but, after watching some more interviews I think it's just that he doesn't enunciate well. And as far as laziness, I think as that article said he's more of a DE than a DT. If you had him in the middle he might seem lazy just because he wouldn't be getting the pressure he would if he had some space to build up speed.

I wouldn't mind him at 9 but, I'd prefer reaching for Dre or trading down for Gilmore.

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I used to think he was stupid but, after watching some more interviews I think it's just that he doesn't enunciate well. And as far as laziness, I think as that article said he's more of a DE than a DT. If you had him in the middle he might seem lazy just because he wouldn't be getting the pressure he would if he had some space to build up speed.

I wouldn't mind him at 9 but, I'd prefer reaching for Dre or trading down for Gilmore.

He admitted to giving a 'C' effort last season, which is not a good sign.

I'd rather have Dre over Gilmore. I think Dre will be better in space, while Gilmore will end up being like Godfrey, better at Safety and in the box.

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He admitted to giving a 'C' effort last season, which is not a good sign.

I'd rather have Dre over Gilmore. I think Dre will be better in space, while Gilmore will end up being like Godfrey, better at Safety and in the box.

Yeah, but Gilmore has better dreads.

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