Am I Wrong For Thinking...

[Snake]

You don't know anything at all about Kuechly, just admit that you are talking out of your ass already.

:rolleyes:

Luke Kuechly, ILB, Boston College

Height: 6’3″

Weight: 237

Grade: 6.9 (Grading Scale)

Film Room Notes: vs Florida State

Strengths: As instinctive as they come, makes almost every play on the field – Pursues the ball sideline to sideline and is a sound fundamental tackler – Rarely makes a mistake on the field and if he does makes up for it with his constant effort – Sound in pass coverage (played safety in HS) – Good lateral mobility – Keeps his eyes on the QB and truts his reads – Very good size for a middle linebacker – One of the smartest players in the country – Kuechly is like a coach on the field, knows everyones job – Future defensive playcaller and captain – Current team captain and leader.

Weaknesses: Not the best athlete – Can get fooled at times by misdirection – Needs to add 10-15 pounds to his frame -Questions about if he can handle playing inside at the next level.

Dan Connor Scouting Report

Position: ILB Conference: Big10 School: Penn State Nittany Lions Year/Status: Drafted Jersey Number: #40 Height & Weight: 6'3 - 233 lbs.

Drafted 3.11 in 2008 by CAR

2008 NFL Draft Prospect Scouting Report:

Dan Connor, ILB, Penn State

Blue collar. That's the word heard most often when describing Dan Conner. The Penn State Senior linebacker has been nothing short of a tackling machine since the first game of his freshman year. In fact, according to an article by Jeff McLane of the Philadelphia Inquirer, Conner has failed to register at least 5 tackles in only 2 of his 45 career games. Conner even set the record for career tackles at Penn State against Purdue. The best tackler ever at a place referred to as Linebacker U, that's quite a ringing endorsement. Conner led Penn State with 145 tackles this year, helping their team to its stingy 93.8 rushing yards against average per game. He also tallied a season high 18 tackles against Temple in November. Conner however, doesn't just wait for backs to come at him to be tackled. Conner has racked up 15 Tackles for loss this season along with 6.5 sacks, 1 INT, and 6 passes broken up in coverage. He finished his prestigious career with 9 tackles versus Texas A&M in the Alamo Bowl. Conner has experience playing both inside and outside on the linebacking core, both with equally impressive results. Conner is often compared with his old teammate Paul Posluszny, who was drafted by the Buffalo Bills last year. He and Posluszny have a lot of similar skills and both have a nose for the football, always seeming to be in on the tackle. The best news for NFL teams is that Conner is probably a slightly more athletic version of his former teammate. What you get with Conner is a smart, versatile linebacker who never misses a tackle. He is a lock to go in the first round. Dan Connor had a fantastic Senior Bowl. Scouts have questioned his athleticism, but Connor showed he could move during drills. He's got great technique and instincts. Connor also recorded nine tackles and an interception for the North squad. Connor did nothing but prove that he may not look or seem athletic in shorts, but put him in pads and he's as good as any body out there. Dan Connor declined to work out at the NFL Combine, because of nagging injuries from the Senior Bowl. Connor was weighed and measured and reportedly did very well during the interview process. Teams are impressed by his work ethic and his passion for the game. Connor will work out for scouts at Penn State's Pro-Day on March 18. Dan Conner finally got to show off his ability at Penn State's pro day. After missing combine workouts because of injury, Connor put on a show. He ran a 4.67 forty yard dash and a 4.25 second short shuttle. In addition to those drills, Connor registered 21 reps on the bench press, a 35 inch vertical leap, and a 9'7" long jump. Connor has first round talent as a inside or weakside linebacker. He may, however, have to wait until round two to hear his name called.

See the similarities.... Well you prob want but stupidity is something not easily fixed.

[Proudiddy]

Dick Butkus was pretty good IMO.

Yeah, so was Nitschke, Ham, Bednarik... But, it was a different game then. That's why I only listed modern era players.

[Proudiddy]

:rolleyes:

See the similarities.... Well you prob want but stupidity is something not easily fixed.

So you don't think color subconsciously (or sometimes consciously) influences scouts' evaluations on players? You might want to look up comments and observations from the numerous "I'm not racist but..." scouts and pundits from last year. lol

[panthers55]

:rolleyes:

See the similarities.... Well you prob want but stupidity is something not easily fixed.

That was written before the combine where he blew everyone away. People didn't realize how fast he was until he ran so quickly and put on 5 lbs of muscle lifting weights for the combine.

So no, those weaknesses are not there. As for Connors, he was not fluid and didn't have good hip flexion to reverse directions and did not have an explosive first step like Kuechly does,

if you knew more about him you would let it rest. You got nothing.

[Snake]

So you don't think color subconsciously (or sometimes consciously) influences scouts' evaluations on players? You might want to look up comments and observations from the numerous "I'm not racist but..." scouts and pundits from last year. lol

Oh we are talking about Racist? Well they both suck because there white and Connor might be gay cause.... you know what happened a Penn state.

[Keep Pounding]

Athletic? Im pretty sure he is just as athletic as most MLB coming out or who is playing now..... What was Beason's 40 time? 4.72... what was Lukes? 4.50..... he is a tackling machine, to be honest I feel he is a safer pick, than Coples, Ingram or Brockers.....

[OnlyPantherFaninMaine]

Snake time to let it go...the kid had a monster combine and silenced all of his critics that doubted his athleticism. If you still cannot accept that, I suggest you compare and contrast Luke's combine numbers with Jon Beason's combine back in 07'. The kid is an athletic, high motored, smart football player and there is no way around that. Funny thing is, you will probably still resort to talking about looking at tape and that combine statistics do not matter. Yet, NFL scouts, GMs, and front offices were all pleasantly surprised with Luke's combine and it likely solidified the kid as a top 15 pick.

[KendrickPanther]

If I'm being honest, I've thought to myself Kuechly isn't as "explosive" as say a Patrick Willis. There are tons of great white linebackers in the NFL but in general black players are stereotyped as more athletic. There is something in the brain that makes us draw these comparisons. That's why every white WR is Wes Welker. Every white DB is Jason Sehorn. Sometimes black QBs get compared to each other.

All of this is just thoughts. I'm not big on chastising someone for a racial thought. Racist behavior is what we should be worried about. Society has gotten so worried about this thoughts in the last 20 years.

[Panthro]

I think you should look up the definition. Are you a racist? Maybe or maybe not. Is it stereotyping? Absolutely.

If you wanted to say you think he will be a bust since BC defense funneled the plays to him and he is a sure tackler. Then that would not be racist but it would be accurate.

[Snake]

That was written before the combine where he blew everyone away. People didn't realize how fast he was until he ran so quickly and put on 5 lbs of muscle lifting weights for the combine.

So no, those weaknesses are not there. As for Connors, he was not fluid and didn't have good hip flexion to reverse directions and did not have an explosive first step like Kuechly does,

if you knew more about him you would let it rest. You got nothing.

Dude combine numbers mean very little in drafting a player. Its the reason Poe is going to drop like a rock when draft day comes. Im not saying the guy is going to be terrible but he is not worth the 9th pick in the draft. In the 20s the dude will be a steal. He and Connor are very much a like and everyone has said that Connor could start on other teams. Its just he is not a Von Miller or even a Jon Beason and just never will be because of talent.

[Snake]

Snake time to let it go...the kid had a monster combine and silenced all of his critics that doubted his athleticism. If you still cannot accept that, I suggest you compare and contrast Luke's combine numbers with Jon Beason's combine back in 07'. The kid is an athletic, high motored, smart football player and there is no way around that. Funny thing is, you will probably still resort to talking about looking at tape and that combine statistics do not matter. Yet, NFL scouts, GMs, and front offices were all pleasantly surprised with Luke's combine and it likely solidified the kid as a top 15 pick.

I think its time for you to let those combine numbers go... GMs look at the tape and not the combine and thats why we will not pick him at 9.

If everyone went off the combine then we would have Blane Gabbert instead of Cam.

[pOpCoRnPoPpEr]

combine means very little. Lol just look at Bruce Campbell, great combine but couldn't bust a grape in a food fight.

[OnlyPantherFaninMaine]

Well it just so happened that Luke's combine numbers proved wrong what little doubts people had to begin with. Snake, can I ask you specifically, what on his tape stands out as a red flag to you?

[Herbert The Love Bug]

Dan Connor sucked here. Don't know what you were watching. Keuchly is about 10 times better than Connor. Quit judging people by their skin color. God I hate when players get compared to other players just because their skin color