Am I Wrong For Thinking...

[panthers55]

I like Shea McClellin better than Luke Kuechly because he has the ability to cover and put his hand in the dirt which he has shown he can do at a high level.

Like him for what? A tweener like Applewhite who can play DE and rush the passer and translates to an OLB in a 3-4?? He seems pretty fast but not as good in coverage or as able to cover the whole field as we might need. Still in the second round he seems pretty solid.

[panthers55]

The same could be said for drafting him. You think he is a cant miss prospect because he was the Butkus award winner and is athletic. I am simply saying that it's not that easy. I've shown where BC fans opinions. Past Butkus award winners who've failed. But if one succeeded they are all going to succeed right???????? I don't see the playmaker that you do. I see a guy who made a lot of tackles in college. I don't see what you do. I wish I did.

So you have shown where some fans on a message board don't understand basic football schemes and think that BC funnelled plays to him which is not true. You have also pointed out one guy, Curry, who was considered a sure fire prospect who was very athletic and failed and that is the reason we shouldn't pick him?? What you see as just a guy who made tackles, I see as a guy who played at such a high level he started every game he played in college and as a freshmen was 2nd in tackles in the nation playing OLB. He then moves inside because of team needs and leads the nations in tackles twice. He is so dominant that by the end of his junior year he is ready for the NFL because there is really nothing left for him to do in college.

If you don't see the potential that isn't about him but you. Sad but true.....

[panthers55]

I would love to put my brain up against anyone here's outside of maybe Scrum

Do you think it would be worth a lot because it is almost brand new being hardly used??? Sorry couldn't resist...

[DaCityKats]

Like him for what? A tweener like Applewhite who can play DE and rush the passer and translates to an OLB in a 3-4?? He seems pretty fast but not as good in coverage or as able to cover the whole field as we might need. Still in the second round he seems pretty solid.

he played everywhere at Boise, DE, OLB, AND ILB. senior bowl he played OLB all week because he was to small to go with the DEs and held his own. now remember you were the one stating how important it was for us to have LBs that can bring pressure and he can from the OLB spot. 3-4 OLBs just done rush the passer either, and i think he has the skill set to play in either scheme. plus the guys has a high motor, good instincts just an all around football player.

[panthers55]

One way to test your overall knowledge that is fun is to go to Buffalo Wild wings and compete in their trivia challenges they have every day. Until the fourth or fifth beer, I usually score pretty well.

[panthers55]

he played everywhere at Boise, DE, OLB, AND ILB. senior bowl he played OLB all week because he was to small to go with the DEs and held his own. now remember you were the one stating how important it was for us to have LBs that can bring pressure and he can from the OLB spot. 3-4 OLBs just done rush the passer either, and i think he has the skill set to play in either scheme. plus the guys has a high motor, good instincts just an all around football player.

he played everywhere at Boise, DE, OLB, AND ILB. senior bowl he played OLB all week because he was to small to go with the DEs and held his own. now remember you were the one stating how important it was for us to have LBs that can bring pressure and he can from the OLB spot. 3-4 OLBs just done rush the passer either, and i think he has the skill set to play in either scheme. plus the guys has a high motor, good instincts just an all around football player.

Rushing the passer and blitzing are not the same at all. RUshing the passer usually involves taking on a blocker and beating them physically. Blitzing in usually more about timing and avoiding the blocker so you have a clear lane to the quarterback. Our scheme is more about blitzing from the linebacker spot and less about pass rushing. That is what our DEs and DTs do in a 1 gap attacking style.

And again I think as a second rounder he could be a good choice. The best choice, no....... But no I don't think we need another Applewhite at this point. I would rather get a true DE like Coples if we go that direction rather than a tweener.

[DaCityKats]

Rushing the passer and blitzing are not the same at all. RUshing the passer usually involves taking on a blocker and beating them physically. Blitzing in usually more about timing and avoiding the blocker so you have a clear lane to the quarterback. Our scheme is more about blitzing from the linebacker spot and less about pass rushing. That is what our DEs and DTs do in a 1 gap attacking style.

And again I think as a second rounder he could be a good choice. The best choice, no....... But no I don't think we need another Applewhite at this point. I would rather get a true DE like Coples if we go that direction rather than a tweener.

they are, but he has done both at a high level. he has blitz from OLB and ILB spots as well as played DE at Boise. i want a true DE but was simply stating that since putting pressure on the QB from the LB spot is important to this scheme why not get a guy who has shown the ability to do so such as McClellin, Kendricks, Brown etc who could be had in the 2nd round. we understand that you are Kuechly fan in all, but some of us are not.

and just cause you are blitzing doesnt mean you wont take on a blocker, probably about 50% of time you do.

[panthers55]

they are, but he has done both at a high level. he has blitz from OLB and ILB spots as well as played DE at Boise. i want a true DE but was simply stating that since putting pressure on the QB from the LB spot is important to this scheme why not get a guy who has shown the ability to do so such as McClellin, Kendricks, Brown etc who could be had in the 2nd round. we understand that you are Kuechly fan in all, but some of us are not.

and just cause you are blitzing doesnt mean you wont take on a blocker, probably about 50% of time you do.

I don't really care if you like Kuechly or not because that is all an opinion which varies from person to person. I am more interested in the logic and rationale behind the choice. If the rationale is sound it doesn't matter who you pick, IMO.

I don't think that blitzing and rushing the passer are the same at all and even when you take on a blocker as a blitzer you have the advantage because you are in motion and usually have more distance for an evasive move coming from a 2 point stance. Guys in a three point stance have to attack differently.

As for liking others better than Kuechly, that is again up to you. I don't agree that because a player doesn't blitz for example in college that you should avoid him if he has the athleticism and skill set to be successful. Just like Cam showed that his offensive system didn't keep him from learning complex plays in the NFL or throwing from a pocket, Kuechly will show that he is quite able to blitz and pressure the QB if that is what he needs to do. If we use the same logic last year we would have picked Gabbert over Newton.

[pOpCoRnPoPpEr]

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[csx]

Past Butkus award winners who've failed. But if one succeeded they are all going to succeed right????????

It's not about one, it's most. You should take a look at the list of recent winners. I'm sure you would just see Curry though.

This place is strange in that most people will go out of their way to trash a guy who plays a position they don't want to be chosen in the first round.

I don't want a linebacker with our top pick but that doesn't change anything about his abilities.

[Panthro]

It's not about one, it's most. You should take a look at the list of recent winners. I'm sure you would just see Curry though.

This place is strange in that most people will go out of their way to trash a guy who plays a position they don't want to be chosen in the first round.

I don't want a linebacker with our top pick but that doesn't change anything about his abilities.

he should be drafted in the 20-30 range

1995 Kevin Hardy Illinois drafted 2nd 1996 Matt Russell Colorado drafted 130th 1997 Andy Katzenmoyer Ohio Statedrafted 28th 1998 Chris Claiborne USC drafted 9th 1999 LaVar Arrington Penn State drafted 2nd 2000 Dan Morgan Miami drafted 11th 2001 Rocky Calmus Oklahoma drafted 77th 2002 E.J. Henderson Maryland drafted 4oth 2003 Teddy Lehman Oklahoma drafted 37th 2004 Derrick Johnson Texas drafted 15th just now living up to a top 15 pick 2005 Paul Posluszny Penn State Drafted 34th 2006 Patrick Willis Ole Miss drafted 11th 2007 James Laurinaitis Ohio State drafted 35th 2008 Aaron Curry Wake Forestdrafted 4th 2009 Rolando McClain Alabama drafted 8th 2010 Von Miller Texas A&M drafted 2nd - hybrid DE/LB

[KendrickPanther]

Some of those guys you crossed out have had solid careers....

[pOpCoRnPoPpEr]

Injuries destroyed LaVar Arrington :(

[KendrickPanther]

LaVar was a beast I remember that time he dived over the pile down at the goal line and stuffed the ball carrier.