Lets Take A Look Back At The Huddles Opinion On Drafting Cam Before The Draft

[tiger7_88]

Exposer of PhillyB insignificant life.

You seem very proud of the fact that PhillyB owns your sorry ass.

[pOpCoRnPoPpEr]

Yeah it was racial to look into his complete background before handing him the keys to a multi million dollar business.

Some of you, like me run your own business. Do you look into the background of the people you hire at all?

[tiger7_88]

It was not, and is not.

Wrong.

It was NOT single-read-and-run.

Cam went through his progressions like any other QB in college. I saw him do it.

As a matter of fact BAMF himself saw him do it (on film) and put the lie to the single-read-and-run nonsense in many of his own interviews.

But I'm sure you know more about it than someone who saw every damn game of it (me) or the head coach of the Panthers (BAMF).

[fieryprophet]

Wrong.

It was NOT single-read-and-run.

Cam went through his progressions like any other QB in college. I saw him do it.

As a matter of fact BAMF himself saw him do it (on film) and put the lie to the single-read-and-run nonsense in many of his own interviews.

But I'm sure you know more about it than someone who saw every damn game of it (me) or the head coach of the Panthers (BAMF).

You're confusing which reads people are talking about. Anyone with eyes could see Auburn's scheme had an actual progression (usually three reads, compared to the NFL's five.)

However, the pre-snap reads were usually fed in by the coaches from the sideline. Cam didn't do much in the way of audibles, or route checks, or defensive recognition before the snap. That wasn't a knock on him, because that's simply not what the offense was designed to do. But evaluators couldn't say "yeah, he can do it" without actually seeing him do it. Of course, once he proved that he could (considering he had experience from his high school offense and from Blinn) that should have taken down at least one red flag.

[X-Clown]

That's why I said "rookie QBs like Dalton, Yates, and even The Golden Calf of Bristol". Not the best sentence structure and maybe "and even young QB The Golden Calf of Bristol" would have been more clear, but I mentioned him based on comprable on field performance to a rookie.

Secondly, it wasn't a knock on Cam, he made some amazing plays and far exceeded expectations in many aspects. I was basically addressing this thread that was made to point out how wrong the people who didn't believe in Cam were and somewhat ridicule them. All I was saying is that it's a little premature for a thread like that. No doubt the arrow is pointing up on the Panthers and expectations are thru the roof for next season, but those are just that, expectations, not accomplishments.

In this league, success is gauged by wins and as you pointed out in 2008 Brees had an amazing season but didn't have the defense to stop the bleeding on other side and ended 8-8. Like last season, Cam played some amazing games only to lose. Fans quickly tired of moral victories and Cam did let those losses affect him and his gameplay also where he would try to force throws and threw many interceptions. The coaching staff will also play a large part in his success and can't be overlooked. Just consider Vick and how he said he never gave 100% in Atlanta and missed gameplanning and was allowed to by coaching staff by not holding him accountable. Consequently, Vick didn't really make it over the hump or play to his full potential in Atlanta.

Bottom line, there is still a lot to be accomplished by Cam before an "I told you so" thread is relevant. The bar will be raised next year as he is no longer a rookie and expectations based on last years performance have set the bar even higher for next season.

Let me try to follow this logic presented by our resident Saints fan:

Cam Newton is "not as good at winning games" as The Golden Calf of Bristol, Yates, and Dalton. Offensive statistics don't matter when evaluating his play at the helm, neither does the fact that the Panthers defense was ranked 28th in the league. His 17 interceptions that season are what caused our record to be what it was, and his 35 touchdowns are just "some amazing plays". Even though his numbers from his rookie season are arguably better than any NFL QB in league history, let's compare him to Michael Vick, because uhhhh, well uhhhh...let's just skip that argument.

Drew Brees had an "amazing season" in 2008 but ultimately finished 8-8 because of his 23rd rated defense. His 17 interceptions were just a result of carrying the team on his shoulders, and his 34 touchdowns showed how much offense he brought to the table.

Am I doing this right?

[Who Dat Pat]

This is why i'm 100% behind RG3. No red flags in his past, none, nothing, not one question mark what so ever.

I got one simple opinion on RG3, I'm glad he's not going to end up in NFC south, theres already tons of QB talent already, Hopefully, he joins Luck in AFC. The guys has the escapability and big play ability of Brees along with the running ability of Cam and Vick!

I think in a normal play that doesn't breakdown and goes to 1st or 2nd option, Luck is going to look like a star, but when the play breaks down and it requires buying time to get to the 3rd or 4th read, then RG3 seems like he will be much more successful. A lot of mobile QBs will immediately take off running after play breaks down just to get a few extra yards, but guys like Brees keep their eyes downfield while escaping hits and then throw downfield bombs for big plays. That's kinda what I have seen in RG3, but with the speed to make good yards on the ground if no passes ever open.

[fieryprophet]

A. I'm not a mod anymore, I resigned about 6 months ago.

B. Player opinions have absolutely nothing to do with modding, nor should they.

C. As soon as Cam was drafted I was on his bandwagon and have stated, ad nauseum, that I was wrong.

D. I think Dareus would have been a great pick, he obviously wouldn't have had the franchise turning effect Cam has had, but would D likely would have been much better.

E. Congrats, you win the Internet.

Just ignore it, you're on board now and that's all that matters.

[MadHatter]

I still don't completely understand how people call KT racist for calling out people who were/are prejudice.

Here is the problem with that assertion....KT (among others) believe that everyone who questioned the pick of Cam did so BECAUSE of race. This is complete and utter bullshit. I am sure that some did. But to make those generalizations make you sound as ignorant as those that you trying to call out.

Myself....I did not want to draft Cam becuase the skillset that he "showed" at Auburn was not what an NFL QB would need to do....plain and simple. It was hard to tell from game tape, etc. how he woudl translate into the NFL. As many of the experts said, you could only look at about 20 plays from his season at Auburn to see plays that translated to to the NFL. It was not what you saw in Cam that lead to questions....it was what you did not see.

I did not care what the color of his skin was.....and still don't. I questioned his ability as a Pro Style QB. And, he has proven all of us who questioned him wrong.....dead wrong.

I cheer for him and would not trade him for another QB in the league....not becuase of color, but becasue of how he has performed.

[pOpCoRnPoPpEr]

Yeah RG3 is a quarterback 1st and foremost. But i will disagree on your assessment of Luck. The kid is mobile and possesses all the skills a quarterback needs to be great. There is a reason he is far and away the no.1 pick in this years draft. And last years for that matter.

[Who Dat Pat]

Let me try to follow this logic presented by our resident Saints fan:

Cam Newton is "not as good at winning games" as The Golden Calf of Bristol, Yates, and Dalton. Offensive statistics don't matter when evaluating his play at the helm, neither does the fact that the Panthers defense was ranked 28th in the league. His 17 interceptions that season are what caused our record to be what it was, and his 35 touchdowns are just "some amazing plays". Even though his numbers from his rookie season are arguably better than any NFL QB in league history, let's compare him to Michael Vick, because uhhhh, well uhhhh...let's just skip that argument.

Drew Brees had an "amazing season" in 2008 but ultimately finished 8-8 because of his 23rd rated defense. His 17 interceptions were just a result of carrying the team on his shoulders, and his 34 touchdowns showed how much offense he brought to the table.

Am I doing this right?

Maybe you need to read what I wrote again because you're writing stuff I never said.

Going backward, I mentioned Brees 2008 season in response to it being mentioned in previous post, read that previous post to help you understand this better.

Secondly, I never compared Vick to Cam. I simply said that coaching is important part of the development and success of a QB. I used the underachieving of Vick in Atlanta to backup that point about coaching being important, nothing there is comparing Vick to Cam.

Finally, I pointed out other QBs of comprabable experience that were more successful in win losses. Just a fact, not an opinion.

Just because I'm a Saints fan doesn't mean I can't give Cam a fair shake. Actually the only facts I said about Cam was that he made some amazing plays, exceeded expectations, has set the expectations bar very high next season, and has the Panthers future pointing up. Are you disagreeing with any of those?

Since you totally missed the point, I was pointing out the difference between expectations and accomplishments and even though Cam was off the scales for the rookie season, a similiar result in future seasons will not be considered successful as the NFL is all aout wins. Look at Matt Ryan for example, he has the second best win percentage for the first 4 years of a QB, and yet there is a large percentage of fans that are ready to give up on him for his lack of execution in playoffs. McNabb was very successful in Philly, but was also a victim of fans not thinking he can win the big game. Romo has now come under the same scrutiny even though he had a top 5 QB rating.

Bottom line is I was pointing out that however unfair, win/loss record becomes a QB stat. There were many games where Cam acted a little immature and withdrawn when losing and was obviously frustrated in pro bowl where he put up a bad performance (of course the game dent count). Further, I was pointing out that moral victories and putting up gaudy stats doesn't equal success, and thus this entire thread was premature.

Cam had an incredibly successful rookie year, and everything is pointing at him continuing in that direction, but he is not a slam dunk success yet. Further, nothing i said even suggests he wont reach that status, but hasnt yet. Therefore, this thread is premature, simple point.

[malik]

You really can't scream racism about this. Sure there is a small % of people that think that way but most of the Cam haters wanted black players. It's really hard to be a racist sports fan in this century.

yes this is true, but you have to understand that QB is still the most white position in the NFL and also the de-factor leader of the team.

[pOpCoRnPoPpEr]

LOl should there be a Rooney rule for quarterbacks now?

[Snake]

I still don't completely understand how people call KT racist for calling out people who were/are prejudice. He might be been wrong about JR, but who really knows. I don't think he's a racist, but racism wouldn't get in the way of smart business man's money. Of course not everyone that didn't want Newton as our QB was racist, but the ones calling him thug, questioning his work ethic, questioning his intelligence, and using the term "running" QB as an undercover term for "black" qb*cough*joat,trd*cough. Some of those guys might not be racist, but their post sure were.

Just because you can cheer for a black or white person in sports doesn't exclude you from being racist. Those same ignorant people that bashed Cam can cheer for him on TV, but let a Cam look a like without the NFL contract come home with their daughter. :angry:

If I had to put a number on it with the huddle, I'd say atleast 25% of the naysayers had some type of racial bias against Cam. Most people had somewhat valid concerns about his arrogance, but on field production, work ethic, and football IQ shouldn't have been an issue. You can look at all his games from JUCO and beyond and see the same thing we saw last year. The only thing that shocked me was breaking Mannings record, because I didn't think we would be that pass happy with a rookie. :cam:

I've been called a Racist by KT and I was fully behind Cam. KT and JOAT/TRD are just two sides of the fence and both are racist. I care not to be on either side of that fence. I like black,White,ect and just dont pre-judge like they do.

[KendrickPanther]

Impossible! No one knew a national title/Heisman winning QB who dominated the best division in college football would be this good!

If you stop right here. It sounds like you're talking about The Golden Calf of Bristol.....