Keyshawn Johnson calls Jarrett a "Bust"

[Seamonk]

Jarrett was drafted to take over right away. That's why the FO cut Keyshawn Johnson.

LOL he certainly wasn't picked IN THE 2nd round to be mentored by Keary Colbert and Drew Carter.

Keyshawn was cut because of the youth movement at the position. Second Rounders don't always net starters right away, you seem to think that they do. These are players that aren't expected to come in right away, especially at WR.

Also, If Keyshawn was so good, why is a 35 year old like TO still able to find suitors with his big mouth whereas Keyshawn couldn't. He's not as good as his mouth, and if we wanted a slow possession receiver, we keep the cheaper, younger option.

Secondly, people are saying that Jarrett only had 10 catches. How many of those were clutch third down catches? You do the research, and I don't mean look at a stat sheet.

He only had 10 catches, but he saw more time on the field as a blocker. Jarrett was never drafted to replace Keyshawn, he was drafted to replace Muhammad.

Don't look at a stat sheet and call someone a bust, and with the panthers seemingly not looking at any WRs in the draft, Jarrett's position doesn't seem to be in any Jeopardy. So is he a bust? No. He's exactly where the FO wants him to be.

[Davidson Deac II]

WOW

He caught more in the pre-season (4 games) than the regular and post-season (17 games) combined

Like I said earlier, so what? We don't throw it much. Other than Moose and Smith, nobody got more than 20 or so catches. To say that he is a bust because he only caught 10 passes on a team than threw the ball less than almost any team in the league is wrong imo..

BTW, in his second season, Moose, played in 4 more games than Jarret, but only caught 25 passes on a team that threw the ball 50 times more, and didn't have a Steve Smith or Muhammed at receiver. Its way to early to label Jarrett a bust.

[nosuchthingasapanther]

It's general football knowledge that a wide receiver doesn't usually reach his stride until year 3. We're coming into year 3, so we'll see...

it's also general football knowledge that if a WR is a playmaker then he'll display that talent from day one.

when playmakers hit their stride, they become league leaders.

jarrett will never be the player that some people think he should be.

keyshawn is right when he tagged jarrett a bust.

[acidcore]

it's also general football knowledge that if a WR is a playmaker then he'll display that talent from day one.

when playmakers hit their stride, they become league leaders.

jarrett will never be the player that some people think he should be.

keyshawn is right when he tagged jarrett a bust.

So what if he isn't a playmaker. I think I'd rather have a WR that makes clutch catches on a consistent basis. We have Steve Smith and Moose to be our playmakers at WR we don't need 3 imo.

[Davidson Deac II]

it's also general football knowledge that if a WR is a playmaker then he'll display that talent from day one.

when playmakers hit their stride, they become league leaders.

Define playmaker.

If you are talking about Steve Smith or Larry Fitzgerald, well I don't think anyone thought Jarrett would be that type of player. There are maybe 10 of those types of guys in the entire league.

But if you expand playmaker, guys like Moose and Hines Ward certainly didn't show that much at the beginning of their careers.

And fwiw, in my opinion our offense is a difficult one for a rookie receiver to break into. We have a run oriented coach who doesn't believe in playing rookies much to begin with, and a Quarterback who seems to take a while to develope a comfort level with a receiver.

[pantherclaw]

So far, Jarrett hasn't developed into the player the team hopes for.

That being said, it takes 3 years for most receivers to make the adjustment into the NFL.

[CharlotteBeer.com]

And fwiw, in my opinion our offense is a difficult one for a rookie receiver to break into. We have a run oriented coach who doesn't believe in playing rookies much to begin with, and a Quarterback who seems to take a while to develope a comfort level with a receiver.

Exactly.

Not only do we (rightly) run the ball every chance we get, when we do pass it (rightly) goes to Smith and Moose.

That's not to say that we don't need talented receivers after the No. 1 and 2 position, just that they won't get a chance to display their talents as much as they might on another team (Arizona, New Orleans, etc.).

[hdevonxz]

Keyshawn was cut because of the youth movement at the position. Second Rounders don't always net starters right away, you seem to think that they do. These are players that aren't expected to come in right away, especially at WR.

Keyshawn was cut because the FO thought Jarrett could come in and start right away, why else would they cut Keyshawn? Cause the great back ups behind him in Colbert and Carter? No.

And seriously 2nd rounders, especially 2nd rounders projected to be a first round pick, ARE NOT expected to be deactivated for the majority of their rookie season. I could see not starting, but he was DEACTIVATED. Jarrett was probably the only 2nd round pick in the league on the deactivated list.

Also, If Keyshawn was so good, why is a 35 year old like TO still able to find suitors with his big mouth whereas Keyshawn couldn't. He's not as good as his mouth, and if we wanted a slow possession receiver, we keep the cheaper, younger option.

You're under the impression I'm a Keyshawn fan, no I'm not. I do, however, have enough sense to realize that cutting Keyshawn that soon was dumb and that he was WAY better than Colbert and Carter.

TO is way better than Keyshawn, I don't even know why you compared the two.

Secondly, people are saying that Jarrett only had 10 catches. How many of those were clutch third down catches? You do the research, and I don't mean look at a stat sheet.

You mean that 1 clutch catch against the Bucs, yeah great play.

He only had 10 catches, but he saw more time on the field as a blocker. Jarrett was never drafted to replace Keyshawn, he was drafted to replace Muhammad.

A USC wide receiver was drafted to replace one of the best run blocking WRs in the league?

Don't look at a stat sheet and call someone a bust, and with the panthers seemingly not looking at any WRs in the draft, Jarrett's position doesn't seem to be in any Jeopardy. So is he a bust? No. He's exactly where the FO wants him to be.

I like Jarrett, but I'm not enough a homer to say he isn't a bust. 2nd round pick, projected 1st round talent, who really hasn't done anything in 2 years? Dude that's a bust, and if he was on any other team you would agree.

To say he is EXACTLY where the FO wants him to be, is asinine.

[Seamonk]

Keyshawn was cut because the FO thought Jarrett could come in and start right away, why else would they cut Keyshawn? Cause the great back ups behind him in Colbert and Carter? No.

Because he takes up more cap space and is way older, and how do you expect for Jarrett to ever get on the field behind Keyshawn, Colbert, Carter ALL THE WHILE battling Robinson who was ALSO drafted that year.

And seriously 2nd rounders, especially 2nd rounders projected to be a first round pick, ARE NOT expected to be deactivated for the majority of their rookie season. I could see not starting, but he was DEACTIVATED. Jarrett was probably the only 2nd round pick in the league on the deactivated list.

He was out several preseason games early in the season because of hamstring issues, this continued several times throughout the season, and with Robinson being on Special teams and already having Smith, Colbert, Carter as top 3, how do you expect him to get on the field? A lot goes to say that Colbert and Carter weren't retained and only Moose and Hackett were brought in.

You're under the impression I'm a Keyshawn fan, no I'm not. I do, however, have enough sense to realize that cutting Keyshawn that soon was dumb and that he was WAY better than Colbert and Carter.

Keyshawn was a locker room cancer and would have done NOTHING to help Jarrett along even IF he was better than Colbert and Carter, even Steve Smith had a whole different feel around him. Name 1 WR that Keyshawn has mentored positively.... Go for it.

TO is way better than Keyshawn, I don't even know why you compared the two.

Exactly my point? Keyshawn doesn't have the talent you'd want AT THAT AGE to remain in the league, especially when Jarrett is cheaper.

You mean that 1 clutch catch against the Bucs, yeah great play.

Or.. You know.. if you did what I actually asked you to.. The Several clutch catches in the end of the San Diego game. The Arizona Catch. The Bucs catch as you said. He also had a couple Inside blocks on Safeties in the Giants game. He has also given us better field position in the redzone several times because of his size which draws a lot of penalties. Arizona got penalized, Bucs got penalized, and I think the Giants also got penalized when we were near the endzone.

I also don't think you remember.. Keyshawn DROPPED a lot of our 3rd down passes.. Not to mention that infamous Philadelphia fiasco.

A USC wide receiver was drafted to replace one of the best run blocking WRs in the league?

2004: Colbert(USC) was drafted to replace Muhammad, and after his rookie campaign where he was actually relevant, they let Muhammad jet to the Bears.

2005: We find out Colbert (USC) has stone hands.

2006: Keyshawn(USC) was brought in to help out with our #2 WR woes because Colbert (USC) was not able to do anything.

2007: We draft Dwayne Jarrett (USC) to replace Keyshawn (USC). Keyshawn (USC) was released. Jarrett (USC) had very minimal playing time.

2008: Muhammad returns. Jarrett (USC) gets significantly more playing time, they release the other injury prone WR on the team. And don't really make any other WR related moves other than drafting a RB that can line up in the slot. Fans call him a bust after 2 years.

So in Essence.. Yes. They got 3 USC WRs to try to replace one of the best blocking WRs in the game.

I like Jarrett, but I'm not enough a homer to say he isn't a bust. 2nd round pick, projected 1st round talent, who really hasn't done anything in 2 years? Dude that's a bust, and if he was on any other team you would agree.

To say he is EXACTLY where the FO wants him to be, is asinine.

The moves in the offseason(more like the lack of movement) and the lack of moves in the draft show that the FO is ready for him to be the #3 and that they can rely on him for that role.

[hdevonxz]

Because he takes up more cap space and is way older, and how do you expect for Jarrett to ever get on the field behind Keyshawn, Colbert, Carter ALL THE WHILE battling Robinson who was ALSO drafted that year.

Age has nothing to do with anything when it comes to the Panthers. And what do you mean how do I expect Jarrett to get on the field behind Keyshawn? If I said the FO shouldn't have cut Keyshawn, then I thought Jarrett wouldn't start over Keyshawn. I thought it would be best if Jarrett "studied" behind Keyshawn for a year.

The FO thought otherwise, which is why they cut Keyshawn.

I really didn't think Carter and Colbert would beat out Jarret though.

Keyshawn didn't take up cap space, WE RECEIVED A CAP HIT FROM CUTTING HIM.

He was out several preseason games early in the season because of hamstring issues, this continued several times throughout the season, and with Robinson being on Special teams and already having Smith, Colbert, Carter as top 3, how do you expect him to get on the field? A lot goes to say that Colbert and Carter weren't retained and only Moose and Hackett were brought in.

Do you really think injuries are the reason he was deactivated for the majority of the season? If that were the case the Panthers might as well have placed him on IR.

Jarrett just didn't mature like expected, period.

And seriously, how do I expect him to get on the field? The same way I expect ANYONE to get on the field. By working hard and learing the play book.

Jarrett had tons more talent than Colbert and Carter, he just didn't try hard enough.

Keyshawn was a locker room cancer and would have done NOTHING to help Jarrett along even IF he was better than Colbert and Carter, even Steve Smith had a whole different feel around him. Name 1 WR that Keyshawn has mentored positively.... Go for it.

Keyshawn had a loud mouth, but there was nothing about him worst than the player we kept in Jenkins.

Keyshawn said he was going to help DJ when we first drafted him, and I don't personally know enough about him to assume as much as you are about him. I think Keyshawn would have relished in mentoring Jarrett, because that would have been another thing to stroke his ego about. Training a future great WR.

Exactly my point? Keyshawn doesn't have the talent you'd want AT THAT AGE to remain in the league, especially when Jarrett is cheaper.

Your point doesn't make any sense.

Keyshawn, a player that was agreeably better than Carter and Colbert, doesn't deserve to be on the team.

Despite the fact that cutting him caused us a salary cap hit.

Despite the fact that Jarrett didn't do anything as a rookie.

That doesn't make any sense, it's like saying I'll trade in my BMW for a Honda with no tires because the BMW is old.

And it wasn't about KJ's talent as a WR, it was about his playing ability relative to the players we had.

Or.. You know.. if you did what I actually asked you to.. The Several clutch catches in the end of the San Diego game. The Arizona Catch. The Bucs catch as you said. He also had a couple Inside blocks on Safeties in the Giants game. He has also given us better field position in the redzone several times because of his size which draws a lot of penalties. Arizona got penalized, Bucs got penalized, and I think the Giants also got penalized when we were near the endzone.

I also don't think you remember.. Keyshawn DROPPED a lot of our 3rd down passes.. Not to mention that infamous Philadelphia fiasco.

And all of this translates to a productive season? Sadly no. You're reaching man, Jarrett didn't have a remotely average season for a player of his ability or draft status.

And you know what happens when you don't, or currently are not living up to your draft status.....bust.

When people say Jarrett is a bust, they're saying it in the present tense. It's not like Jarrett doesn't have a chance to be a great player, just that so far he hasn't lived up to where he was drafted. And that is an absolutely TRUE statement.

[Seamonk]

Age has nothing to do with anything when it comes to the Panthers. And what do you mean how do I expect Jarrett to get on the field behind Keyshawn? If I said the FO shouldn't have cut Keyshawn, then I thought Jarrett wouldn't start over Keyshawn. I thought it would be best if Jarrett "studied" behind Keyshawn for a year.

The FO thought otherwise, which is why they cut Keyshawn.

I really didn't think Carter and Colbert would beat out Jarret though.

Keyshawn didn't take up cap space, WE RECEIVED A CAP HIT FROM CUTTING HIM.

I'm saying Colbert and Carter were given the reigns and try to save their careers by cutting Keyshawn. Neither were capable. Jarrett was the insurance policy. And from the looks of it, and all their moves, they've never come outright and said that their second rounder, Dwayne Jarrett was going to start. EVER. I've been saying this entire time that Jarrett was drafted as BEST PLAYER AVAILABLE at the time they drafted to be a DEVELOPMENTAL GUY.

You seem to have this idea stuck in your head that there is no way they would cut Keyshawn if Jarrett wasn't meant to take over. Sure in a logical world that might make sense, but this is the PANTHERS FO, and don't think this doesn't happen on other teams either. The Patriots are notorious for stockpiling picks and getting a lot of DEVELOPMENTAL guys. Will these higher round picks start? NO, God No. Hell Their Safety Meriweather was a first rounder, yet HE BARELY GOT ON THE FIELD for his first couple seasons.

Keyshawn was signed for ANOTHER season, he was the cheaper option for the NEXT season. His CAP Hit was a Post June or whatever cap hit, which impacted the NEXT season.

Do you really think injuries are the reason he was deactivated for the majority of the season? If that were the case the Panthers might as well have placed him on IR.

Jarrett just didn't mature like expected, period.

Well duh, he didn't mature like expected, he was NEVER EXPECTED TO TAKE OVER RIGHT AWAY. Which you seem to continue to think whereas ALL MOVES, AND ALL NOTIONS POINT OUT OTHERWISE. I'm saying the Panthers didn't get to see him early in TC because of his injury WHICH PUSHED HIS MATURATION BACK.

And seriously, how do I expect him to get on the field? The same way I expect ANYONE to get on the field. By working hard and learing the play book.

WHICH HE CAN'T DO IN TC CUZ HE'S INJURED. He can learn the playbook though. And HE DID improve this past TC with his work ethic.

Jarrett had tons more talent than Colbert and Carter, he just didn't try hard enough.

More like, he didn't get a chance to prove himself in TC. Then, Colbert and Carter played out the rest of the year trying to catch passes from DAVID fuging CARR. I'm pretty sure you forgot who we had at QB that season... so even if he was on the field, Carr would check down to TE anyway.

Keyshawn had a loud mouth, but there was nothing about him worst than the player we kept in Jenkins.

Jenkins didn't start excessively voicing his opinions until after we tanked. He already didn't want to be here anymore after all the trade talks.

Keyshawn said he was going to help DJ when we first drafted him, and I don't personally know enough about him to assume as much as you are about him. I think Keyshawn would have relished in mentoring Jarrett, because that would have been another thing to stroke his ego about. Training a future great WR.

I don't think keyshawn would have been able to teach him ANYTHING that we aimed to do in 2008. Namely blocking. Jarrett's weaknesses when getting drafted were that he can't get separation and that he hasn't really shown he can block. I don't think Keyshawn would have been able to mentor him as well as Moose.

Your point doesn't make any sense.

Keyshawn, a player that was agreeably better than Carter and Colbert, doesn't deserve to be on the team.

T.O. is 35 years old, still in the league with people who still want him DESPITE his big mouth. Keyshawn is 36. TO is still in the league at his age because he can still work at that age.. Keyshawn was in decline.. in a big way.

Despite the fact that cutting him caused us a salary cap hit.

Despite the fact that Jarrett didn't do anything as a rookie.

That doesn't make any sense, it's like saying I'll trade in my BMW for a Honda with no tires because the BMW is old.

And it wasn't about KJ's talent as a WR, it was about his playing ability relative to the players we had.

I agree, Keyshawn would have still been better, but you can't get your younger players on the field more without removing the old ones with big egos who think they are still better than them but have a clear dropoff in ability. Keyshawn would produce stats, but he couldn't help us produce wins, and in the next year it didn't matter anyway.

And all of this translates to a productive season? Sadly no. You're reaching man, Jarrett didn't have a remotely average season for a player of his ability or draft status.

And you know what happens when you don't, or currently are not living up to your draft status.....bust.

When people say Jarrett is a bust, they're saying it in the present tense. It's not like Jarrett doesn't have a chance to be a great player, just that so far he hasn't lived up to where he was drafted. And that is an absolutely TRUE statement.

I'm saying he can't be considered a BUST because he was never labeled as going to be what you claim he was supposed to be. It's been 2 years. Jeff King didn't do poo his first year in Carolina then broke out his second year after getting stronger and bigger. and that's for a TE!

WR learning curve is 3 years as SO MANY PEOPLE CLAIM, Jarrett is down to 1 year. You can't really label someone a bust unless they're destined for failure. Eternal failures..Guys like Jeff George, Ryan Leaf, those guys are busts, a player in his third year isn't. Especially when he hasn't gotten a CHANCE to show his stuff on the field. On the other hand, those two have.

What Jarrett is right now, isn't a bust, he's an unknown,a question mark, we still don't know much about him. He's just being incorrectly labeled as a bust. What we do know is.. he's steadily gotten more Playing time since his rookie season.

[Snake]

So did DJ Hackett.

And even Mark Jones.

But you see how that works.....

We were a 12-4 teams with good players. What cha gonna do???

[panthersphan]

Did he forget about Kerry Colbert?

[Brandon]

it's also general football knowledge that if a WR is a playmaker then he'll display that talent from day one.

Steve Smith

Roddy White

Wes Welker

Vincent Jackson

Derrick Mason

Lee Evans

Donald Driver

etc

These guys all took a few years to really break into the NFL and show what they're capable of. And that's JUST recent players who finished this season with 1000yds receiving.