Peppers staying? Not necessarily.

[Mr. Scot]

It's easy to assume that since Julius Peppers hasn't yet been traded, he'll definitely be a Panther this year.

Maybe, but I don't think it's a lock.

Peppers and Carl carey probably believed they would win a staredown with the Panthers by refusing to sign the tender prior to the draft, thus effectively preventing the Panthers from trading him for picks this year and keeping themselves in control of where he winds up. In their minds, this would effectively hamstring the Panthers from doing much in the draft.

Oops :sosp:

As it stands now, the Panthers essentially have the rest of the offseason to wait. They'll be able to free enough cap room to sign their picks, maybe even get a veteran in there.

Meanwhile, at some point, Peppers either has to sign his tender or hold out. Unless he and his agent are complete idiots, he'll sign his tender. At which point, other than threatening not to sign a long term deal, they lose control of his ultimate destination.

My take: He'll sign. And at that point, he'll be traded to recoup next year's first rounder and perhaps get a player in return. The likelhood of it happening increases if some team loses a big DE to injury in preseason or early in the year.

Mind you, the Patriots could still be a trade partner here. Having drafted Ron Brace they can part even more easily with, say, Richard Seymour. But whether it's the Pats or someone else, teams tend to be more willing to trade next year's pick because it's a far off concept, not a near reality.

Bottom Line: If this happens as I expect it to, then he and agent Carl Carey will have misplayed their hand and ultimately come out on the losing end.

[Jase]

It's easy to assume that since Julius Peppers hasn't yet been traded, he'll definitely be a Panther this year.

Maybe, but I don't think it's a lock.

Peppers and Carl carey probably believed they would win a staredown with the Panthers by refusing to sign the tender prior to the draft, thus effectively preventing the Panthers from trading him for picks this year and keeping themselves in control of where he winds up. In their minds, this would effectively hamstring the Panthers from doing much in the draft.

Oops :sosp:

As it stands now, the Panthers essentially have the rest of the offseason to wait. They'll be able to free enough cap room to sign their picks, maybe even get a veteran in there.

Meanwhile, at some point, Peppers either has to sign his tender or hold out. Unless he and his agent are complete idiots, he'll sign his tender. At which point, other than threatening not to sign a long term deal, they lose control of his ultimate destination.

My take: He'll sign. And at that point, he'll be traded to recoup next year's first rounder and perhaps get a player in return. The likelhood of it happening increases if some team loses a big DE to injury in preseason or early in the year.

Mind you, the Patriots could still be a trade partner here. Having drafted Ron Brace they can part even more easily with, say, Richard Seymour. But whether it's the Pats or someone else, teams tend to be more willing to trade next year's pick because it's a far off concept, not a near reality.

Bottom Line: If this happens as I expect it to, then he and agent Carl Carey will have misplayed their hand and ultimately come out on the losing end.

This has sort of been my feeling all along. It would make much more sense to get a first next year. I just wished I had posted it so I could be the one to take credit for it. :cornut:

[dexterpyro]

U are very wise Mr. Scot. While watching the draft i thought he had been traded to the 49ers but no. We are now in control once again. He either plays for us and hope we dont do this next year, hold outs and ruins his career, or we trade him to the raiders after he signs that tender. or somehow works out a deal that suits us.

I say well Played Mr. Hurney. Well Played Indeed

[Fireball77]

Hmm...not knowing a thing but having read a little on Brace as a prospect, methinks he's their backup NT and insurance in case they can't get Wilfork re-signed.

I also think they are more likely now to sign JT since they didn't do a thing @ LB on day 1.

I hope you are right about Pep, Mr. Scot.

[R0CKnR0LLA]

I started considering these same type of things after I saw us trade away next years first. And use the pick to get a DE at that. I think it comes down to whether Peppers is willing to sign a long term contract with us. If he still refuses, we'll look to ship him for a 1st next year and hopefully more. Maybe the 49ers could use a good DE, I hear they have 2 1st rounders next year they could give us

[Mr. Scot]

Hmm...not knowing a thing but having read a little on Brace as a prospect, methinks he's their backup NT and insurance in case they can't get Wilfork re-signed.

I also think they are more likely now to sign JT since they didn't do a thing @ LB on day 1.

I hope you are right about Pep, Mr. Scot.

Also possible. We'll see what they do with him soon enough. Speculation on them wanting to dump Seymour has already been out there for a while though.

Truth be told though, the Pats are just one potential partner that I included as an example. But once the tender is signed, it could literally be anybody.

Mind you, they could still make an effort to accommodate Peppers, but there'd be no requirement to do so.

Regardless, I'd love to be a fly on Carl Carey's wall.

[Snake]

At this point all Peppers has done is hurt himself. If I were him I would be signing asap so I could be traded and could get ready for a new system.

[Woodie]

My pipe dream is that after seeing the writing on the wall, Peppers decides he just wants out at all costs, and eliminates his team restrictions. Then the Panthers work out a trade with KC for Glen Dorsey. Personally, at this point I would be willing to do a strait up player for player trade, I wouldn't need a #1 to feel good.

Oh well, everyone is entitled to their fantasies, no matter how unrealistic they are.

[carolinarolls]

Yes the Panthers are in complete control of the situation.

the two first round picks did not materialize that Hurney demanded

other combinations of picks also failed to materialize, hell the rumors of offered picks never materialized

the draft also passed without the BIG PEPPERS TRADE splash that was predicted

..and now we can expect a big move to recoup next years (planned all along most likely) first rounder based on some rookie that the Patriots drafted..any day now

naive people make me laugh really, really hard

[scpanther22]

i say he comes back..and plays here thinking he walks free next year..i men can we afford to tag him next year..

[Jackofalltrades]

Peppers isn't going anywhere, his agent phucked him.

Peppers will resign long term with the Panthers now that he sees he doesn't carry near the value Carey convinced him he did.

[carolinarolls]

Peppers isn't going anywhere, his agent phucked him.

Peppers will resign long term with the Panthers now that he sees he doesn't carry near the value Carey convinced him he did.

this is a joke right?

[pantherclaw]

Scot, you sure do have your hopes up high, that Peppers will be gone. Don't get hurt when ya come back down.

[top dawg]

I really don't think that Scottie's feelings will be hurt if Pep returns.

As for me, I think that Pep made the wrong move when he initially voiced his desire to be traded. As for all the other stuff that happened as a consequence are people playing their hands the best way they know how. But, I also believe that if Pep really feels that the Panthers don't (or won't) give him the best opportunity to reach his potential, then it was going to come to this anyway. I mean, why would he sign the tender without seeing how this is all going to play out? Whether he opened up his trap or not, the Panthers were going to tag him. Anyone who believes otherwise is naive.

That being said, teams (for whatever reasons) are just very reluctant to pay that kind of price. We want him. They want him. But, everybody knows that the 16.7 mil is a little high. So, the playing of the hands, really is irrelevant because we were going to end at this place anyway. We just arrived at it via an uglier, more contentious and pretentious route than we should have. Moreover, if anything, the reluctance of teams to pay the compensation for Pep is just a natural evening out of the playing field, where neither he or the FO has the clear upper hand (although I still tend to think that Pep's position is ultimately no weaker than it was before the draft).

Now, it all comes down to Pep's perception of his viablity in the new defense, and how Pep values (probably) 3-5 mil per year, and/or the term of a future contract.