Jonathan Stewart The Most Elusive Rb In The Nfl?

[CRA]

Educate me for a bit. But I thought that cutting someone wouldnt cost us dead cap space, not trading someone. Yay, Nay?

I don't know the specifics but I know the guys on Sirius have stated there isn't a difference in trading vs cutting. Would live to know if true and the specifics.....they normally are good about that but kinda blew the caller off

[panthers55]

Where do I get he is a runner? His first season he ran for more TDs than anyone on our roster and more than anyone in the history of the NFL that have played his position. He converted more 3rd downs than any RB in the NFL last year. How is he not a runner?

He is not a RB. He without question is a runner. Claiming someone is a runner doesn't mean they aren't more than that or limited to that....just an aspect of their game

Also, don't gloss over his 3rd down runs....they moved chains and got us points time and time again....they were a big factor for the offense.

I think at a minimum he should see at least 90 rush attempts.....the next couple years.

He didn't run more than any quarterback in the league. He had more rushing TDs than any quarterback. Michael Vick has the record with 1039 rushing yards in 2006. Three times he had more rushing yards than Newton.

There is huge difference between Vick who was a running quarterback and never had a 3000 yard passing season until 2010 with Philly versus a quarterback who can run but also can pass for 4000 yards. For the first one you design a bunch of running plays, for the second, you have then scrambleout of trouble, run on third and short and occasionally use a QB draw. As he becomes a better passer you will see he runs less and less.

[panthers55]

I don't know the specifics but I know the guys on Sirius have stated there isn't a difference in trading vs cutting. Would live to know if true and the specifics.....they normally are good about that but kinda blew the caller off

Actually trading now is worse than releasing if you release them after June 1st which allows you to spread the cap hit over 2 years.

[panthers55]

http://www.rotoworld...rade-candidates

Rotoworld top10 pre draft trade candidates. Prediction from them is JStew to Denver for a second rounder.

I'm starting to think he's gone. :(

Don't forget Washington if they get some of their cap room back. They have nothing for running backs.

[MrPickles]

Good Point!

Sarcasm there mr. pickles?

Nope! I'm just trying to get inside the mind of Hurney and that's what came out. :)

[panthers55]

I said $16 million, not $20 million.

55, I think $13 million is WAY too much for the RB spot. I would think a wise GM could get solid production out of a devalued, split-duty position for half of that figure. So, if you assume everyone accepts a $13 million figure as reasonable, then, sure, why not $15 million?

LOT-$10 million

C-$10 million

QB-$ 6 million

RB- $13 million ???????

#1 WR- $8 million

TOTAL for 5 positions: $47 million. Remaining cap: $73 million. Players left to pay: 47

Look at any roster and what you see are 10-12 players that comprise half the cap room another 10-12 that make a few million and the rest are paid less than a million. Stars get the lion share of the money but journeymen and guys on their rookie contract make up the majority of positions.

[panthers55]

i wouldnt be surprised if williams offers to renegotiate in order to free up some cap to keep Stewart. The two are great friends, have broken records together, played off each other incredibly well, filled in for each other during injuries effectively and are vastly improving the lifespan of their careers. Also Williams is a swell, modest and humble man.

In today's NFL, it's getting rarer and rarer to see every-down backs continue production into their late 20's. 30 used to be the magic age, when RBs would have issues keeping their production up. That magic age continues to drop. Defensive players are getting bigger, stronger and faster at an extremely fast rate. There are a handful of 280 lb defensive ends that run as fast as receivers, that was absolutely unheard of when the every-down back dominated football.

Sure Stewart could go out and land a contract similar to Deangelo, but if something goes wrong (especially with his injury history) or the wear is just too much for him, thats simply all he's going to get. Both him and Deangelo could play very effectively into their mid 30's, breaking records, winning superbowls with Cam (gotta remember, when winning playoff games the NFL doles out very large bonuses to the players), and consistently landing reasonable multi-million dollar deals here - no vet minimum poo.

Most any player would restructure since he gets salary turned into an immediate payment of a signing bonus. But it raises the cap going forward which is not a good thing. But if you think he will take less money, you are dreaming.....

[panthers55]

If resigning Stewart were smart....then I think we should be able to name at least one other team that has shown comparable investment into there overall backfield.

There isn't one though...

So I guess a franchise that has never won in back to back seasons is onto something I guess....

Name one team with a better running game than ours after we cranked it up the second half of the season. There wasn't one. If you want great, you have to pay for it, Not winning back to back has nothing to do with the running game but more about not haviing a franchise quarterback.

[CRA]

Look at any roster and what you see are 10-12 players that comprise half the cap room another 10-12 that make a few million and the rest are paid less than a million. Stars get the lion share of the money but journeymen and guys on their rookie contract make up the majority of positions.

But teams still have a choice in where to stockpile talent and where they are opting to gamble

mor by being thin in talent. That has always been the issue going forward.

Millions on the bench.

[CRA]

Name one team with a better running game than ours after we cranked it up the second half of the season. There wasn't one. If you want great, you have to pay for it, Not winning back to back has nothing to do with the running game but more about not haviing a franchise quarterback.

I can name a several with more productive RBs. Cam Newton had a huge role in the overall efficiency. You can't make your claim without Newton....Newton was the best runner last year.

So again my question remains, name one team who has invested as much in ther backfield as Carolina (pending they pay Stewart). Talking about RBs specifically....and there isn't one.

[panthers55]

We averaged 20 carries a game. Not a two man job. However, with Tolbert, the run game opens up, if they use him right

There are some backs who can handle 300 carries and 70 catches like Maurice Jones Drew and Michael Turner. But the majority of guys can't. The problem with using Stewart like that is that he is such a punishing runner, 150 carries is like 250 to a back that goes down easier and doesn't bounce off tacklers. Williams just isn't effective between the tackles so you are going to run outside a lot or have to use someone like Tolbert or Stewart to pound it inside. So for us it is 2 man job. That just the way we roll.

[panthers55]

I can name a several with more productive RBs. Cam Newton had a huge role in the overall efficiency. You can't make your claim without Newton....Newton was the best runner last year.

So again my question remains, name one team who has invested as much in ther backfield as Carolina (pending they pay Stewart). Talking about RBs specifically....and there isn't one.

Until we know what they pay Stewart, what we have is this year's salaries. Adrian Peterson alone makes more than Williams, Stewart and Tolbert together. Add Harvin, and Gerhart and you have more than our salaries this year. Need more???

[panthers55]

But teams still have a choice in where to stockpile talent and where they are opting to gamble

mor by being thin in talent. That has always been the issue going forward.

Millions on the bench.

Happens every year to multiple teams. Last year we had as much sitting on the bench due to injuries than we had in the backfield. If one of them goes down then we are damn happy we have a starter in their place. If they both stay healthy, then great. I would hate to trade Stewart and then have something happen to Williams for even a few games, we would be screwed.

[SuperMan]

Nope! I'm just trying to get inside the mind of Hurney and that's what came out. :)

That would be like trying to get into the mind of a goldfish, there is only a 3 second memory.