Jonathan Stewart The Most Elusive Rb In The Nfl?

[CRA]

Why do you want to get rid of Stewart so much after whining for months that we are going to lose him because of the Williams contract? If money isn't the issue then what? And who are we going to sign with all this money we supposedly save given we don't buy expensive free agents.

again, it isn't about having my favorite RB on the team. I wanted them to choose Stewart over Williams. They made there choice. Despite bitching about it I have to accept it moving forward.

You don't have to take the Stewart money and invest into one singular player. Our team lacks depth and talent all over. We need to be investing into our defense. We need to be investing in taking advantage of the rules in place and stopping other teams looking to so as well.

We didn't get our moneys worth for Williams last year.....not his fault. Organziations fault. Pay Stewart.....you won't be getting your moneys worth from either. Won't be their fault.

We drafted Cam. We need to build it around Cam. We need to fix our D. RB position needs to be put on the back burner. Not as important in today's league.

[panthers55]

Educate me for a bit. But I thought that cutting someone would cost us dead cap space, not trading someone. Yay, Nay?

It is simple. The salary goes to the new team but the signing bonus which was spread out over the life of the contract accelerates to this year. He is signed through 2015 at 3.2 million in signing bonus each year. That is 4 times 3.2 million or 13.2 million in dead cap space.

[panthers55]

just b/c you exagerrate my statement....doesn't mean that it becomes my opinion.

Cam Newton is a runner. Always has been. Only reason we were competitive is b/c of what he did with his arm and legs.

Cam will be a key piece in our ground production. Nothing supports him being removed from that aspect at this stage in his career. He will likely be the most efficent runner as well.....b/c he gets to take advantage of mismatches a RB simply doesn't get.

Newton is a passer who can run as well. He ran for 750 yards and threw for 4000. Where do you get he is a runner?? This is the same misconception he dealt with in college as well. Vick was always called a runner because he ran for 750 yard but only threw for 2000-2500 yards. That has changed for him in the last few years as well.

Newton is an integral part of the offense period. But we could be effective if he didn't run 125 times a year.

[panthers55]

again, it isn't about having my favorite RB on the team. I wanted them to choose Stewart over Williams. They made there choice. Despite bitching about it I have to accept it moving forward.

You don't have to take the Stewart money and invest into one singular player. Our team lacks depth and talent all over. We need to be investing into our defense. We need to be investing in taking advantage of the rules in place and stopping other teams looking to so as well.

We didn't get our moneys worth for Williams last year.....not his fault. Organziations fault. Pay Stewart.....you won't be getting your moneys worth from either. Won't be their fault.

We drafted Cam. We need to build it around Cam. We need to fix our D. RB position needs to be put on the back burner. Not as important in today's league.

I can appreciate your take on Stewart but a few comments. We have 20 of our 22 starters locked up. We don't need starters we need guys to come back from injury. As for depth, a lot of guys played many minutes who will serve as depth this year. I know people think we need whole sale changes but I disagree. We have most of the pieces to compete for the playoffs this year. We need a full off season to implement the defense and we need a few guys to step up or be replaced. I think that I am most worried about linebacker and the secondary at this point. Hopefully out first and second rounder can come in and be a major contributor. After that, who knows....

[CRA]

If resigning Stewart were smart....then I think we should be able to name at least one other team that has shown comparable investment into there overall backfield.

There isn't one though...

So I guess a franchise that has never won in back to back seasons is onto something I guess....

[Frizzy350]

i wouldnt be surprised if williams offers to renegotiate in order to free up some cap to keep Stewart. The two are great friends, have broken records together, played off each other incredibly well, filled in for each other during injuries effectively and are vastly improving the lifespan of their careers. Also Williams is a swell, modest and humble man.

In today's NFL, it's getting rarer and rarer to see every-down backs continue production into their late 20's. 30 used to be the magic age, when RBs would have issues keeping their production up. That magic age continues to drop. Defensive players are getting bigger, stronger and faster at an extremely fast rate. There are a handful of 280 lb defensive ends that run as fast as receivers, that was absolutely unheard of when the every-down back dominated football.

Sure Stewart could go out and land a contract similar to Deangelo, but if something goes wrong (especially with his injury history) or the wear is just too much for him, thats simply all he's going to get. Both him and Deangelo could play very effectively into their mid 30's, breaking records, winning superbowls with Cam (gotta remember, when winning playoff games the NFL doles out very large bonuses to the players), and consistently landing reasonable multi-million dollar deals here - no vet minimum poo.

[CRA]

Newton is a passer who can run as well. He ran for 750 yards and threw for 4000. Where do you get he is a runner?? This is the same misconception he dealt with in college as well. Vick was always called a runner because he ran for 750 yard but only threw for 2000-2500 yards. That has changed for him in the last few years as well.

Newton is an integral part of the offense period. But we could be effective if he didn't run 125 times a year.

Where do I get he is a runner? His first season he ran for more TDs than anyone on our roster and more than anyone in the history of the NFL that have played his position. He converted more 3rd downs than any RB in the NFL last year. How is he not a runner?

He is not a RB. He without question is a runner. Claiming someone is a runner doesn't mean they aren't more than that or limited to that....just an aspect of their game

Also, don't gloss over his 3rd down runs....they moved chains and got us points time and time again....they were a big factor for the offense.

I think at a minimum he should see at least 90 rush attempts.....the next couple years.

[MadHatter]

But you morph every discussion for the past year into a whine about Williams. Just move on. We can keep Stewart if we want and what have we heard anyone say about getting rid of him?? Until it is a done deal why the contant diatribe now to trade Stewart for a 2nd or 3rd rounder just to get rid of him. Why not keep him this year and see what happens. Even if we lose him we get a low third rounder which is what many of you think we can get for him anyway and we get to use this year. I for oone would rather keep him for the year and pay the 2 million it costs over the 1.5 million in dead cap space if we trade him if all we are going to get in a third rounder anyway. Now if we are talking first rounder or very high second rounder then that might be different. Otherwise it is cheap insurance to keep him around for 2 million.

I agree if all you can get is a late 3rd round pick.

However, for a 2nd or 1st round pick....I would make the trade.

[MHS831]

You are beating a dead horse, LOL. But I believe Hurney talked to Williams and Stewart last year before he signed Williams. Gantt tweeted that Williams negotiated and Stewart didn't want to talk. So he had to at least sign one of them so they signed Williams. I suspect they have continueed to talk with Stewart and that bringing in Tolbert was to mitigate the loss if we trade Stewart or lose him next year to free agency. People act like Stewart is some sort of victim to the cap here but I don't think so. If he wants to be here, Hurney will work it out.

As for this not being a running team, I disagree. You have to play to the strengths of your players. With Newton, Stewart and Williams we have the most prolific ground game in the league. The league might be going to a passing league but what if you could do both? What if you could run for 3000 yards and pass for 4500 yards. The thing is Newton provides something unique in the league so you can't judge us by other teams and trends. Who in the league has a QB who can run and pass like Newton? Why limit ourselves to a passing offense who can run when we can redefine offense in this league.

You are beating a dead horse, LOL. But I believe Hurney talked to Williams and Stewart last year before he signed Williams. Gantt tweeted that Williams negotiated and Stewart didn't want to talk. So he had to at least sign one of them so they signed Williams. I suspect they have continueed to talk with Stewart and that bringing in Tolbert was to mitigate the loss if we trade Stewart or lose him next year to free agency. People act like Stewart is some sort of victim to the cap here but I don't think so. If he wants to be here, Hurney will work it out.

As for this not being a running team, I disagree. You have to play to the strengths of your players. With Newton, Stewart and Williams we have the most prolific ground game in the league. The league might be going to a passing league but what if you could do both? What if you could run for 3000 yards and pass for 4500 yards. The thing is Newton provides something unique in the league so you can't judge us by other teams and trends. Who in the league has a QB who can run and pass like Newton? Why limit ourselves to a passing offense who can run when we can redefine offense in this league.

We averaged 20 carries a game. Not a two man job. However, with Tolbert, the run game opens up, if they use him right

[MHS831]

20 million is way overstated. we will spend 13 million this year and likely 15 million next year assuming we keep all three. If we can't afford them next year, we can't afford them this year either,

I said $16 million, not $20 million.

55, I think $13 million is WAY too much for the RB spot. I would think a wise GM could get solid production out of a devalued, split-duty position for half of that figure. So, if you assume everyone accepts a $13 million figure as reasonable, then, sure, why not $15 million?

LOT-$10 million

C-$10 million

QB-$ 6 million

RB- $13 million ???????

#1 WR- $8 million

TOTAL for 5 positions: $47 million. Remaining cap: $73 million. Players left to pay: 47

[4Corners]

http://www.rotoworld.com/articles/nfl/40184/59/ten-pre-draft-trade-candidates

Rotoworld top10 pre draft trade candidates. Prediction from them is JStew to Denver for a second rounder.

I'm starting to think he's gone. :(

[MrPickles]

We should trade Stewart and draft Richardson. Groom Richardson behind DWill and Tolbert for a couple years until he hits his prime then trade him for a 2nd or 3rd round pick!

[SuperMan]

We should trade Stewart and draft Richardson. Groom Richardson behind DWill and Tolbert for a couple years until he hits his prime then trade him for a 2nd or 3rd round pick!

Good Point!

Sarcasm there mr. pickles?

[Ivan The Awesome]

Hurney over paid for Williams, if he hadn't given him soo much cash, we'd be fine right now.

If Stewart walks, so be it. We've had star players walk before. But really, if he walks good luck to him. I still think he will stay, that's if he's not traded away. The smart football choice would be to get something out of him now. A Second and third or fourth round pick would suffice.