Jonathan Stewart The Most Elusive Rb In The Nfl?

[carolina-chuck]

Trade Williams. Keep 28!

Stewart and Tolbert are similar backs but I think Stewart is much more better than DWill.

[panthers55]

Trade Williams. Keep 28!

Stewart and Tolbert are similar backs but I think Stewart is much more better than DWill.

Brilliant!!!

Ignore that trading Williams will cost us 13.2 million in dead cap space!!!

[CRA]

Are you sure about that? Go back and look at the top 5 salaried backs for this year and look at their production last year.

Adrian Peterson accounted for 1100 total yards last year and is coming off ACL surgery. He will account for almost 14 million dollars this year in cap space.

Williams cost 8.5 million and had 970 yards

McFadden cap hit 9.5 million. Total yards in 2011- 775 total yards

LOL, seriously? You do realize McFadden didn't play half a season and Peterson 3/4th of one?

Williams played a healthy 16 games in 2011 - 35% of teams rushing yards

McFadden played in 7 games in 2011 - 29% of teams rushing yards

Peterson played in 12 games in 2011 - 42% of the teams rushing yards

McFadden almost generated the same amout of production for his team in half the games on the ground.

McFadden is on his rookie deal....they will not give him a new deal like Williams got and expect 2011 Williams type production. You pay guys Williams type money to BE the workhorse on a team. Come on man. If you pay a RB like Williams they are expected to account for most of your production on the ground.....both those RBs you named were expected to do such and injury is the only reason why they didn't.

[Arnie]

We need to get this guy re-signed... nothing against Tolbert, but Stew is on a whole different level.

Agreed!!

[CRA]

As for Newton reprising last year, lets wait and see. You always seem to be one to jump in headlong stating trends and ideas based on limited information and history. Lets see what happens this year before deciding how thing will be.

Newton has been a key cog to his teams ground attacks and a highly effiecient/productive runner at every level and every year he has stepped onto a football field......assuming that will change would be making an assumption with little to back it. He is the ultimate mismatch.

[panthers55]

LOL, seriously? You do realize McFadden didn't play half a season and Peterson 3/4th of one?

Williams played a healthy 16 games in 2011 - 35% of teams rushing yards

McFadden played in 7 games in 2011 - 29% of teams rushing yards

Peterson played in 12 games in 2011 - 42% of the teams rushing yards

McFadden almost generated the same amout of production for his team in half the games on the ground.

McFadden is on his rookie deal....they will not give him a new deal like Williams got and expect 2011 Williams type production. You pay guys Williams type money to BE the workhorse on a team. Come on man. If you pay a RB like Williams they are expected to account for most of your production on the ground.....both those RBs you named were expected to do such and injury is the only reason why they didn't.

That wasn't the point, the issue was whether there were other backs who cost more who didn't produce aany more than Williams did.

You could make the point though that both McFadden and Peterson are coming off injuries which usually take time to heal. Would you be paying Peterson 14 million after cooming off ACL surgery.

As for McFadden he is still signed through 2012 and 2013. So he will making big bucks for an uncertain future.

You pay guys like Williams to be productive. He is at the top of the league with 5.4 yards a carry and 8.2 yards a reception. Are there guys cheaper who are more productive, yes. Could we have gone a different direction, yes.

But again why are we beating the same dead horse a year after the deal??

The point was that we could Stewart if we want to. I showed you how we could. You think it iss a bad idea, I think it no worse an iidea next year tehn it was last year or will be this year. Lets stick to Stewart and stop the endless Williams debate. You obviously aren't going to change your mind so what is the point??

[CRA]

Poor example they run a west coast offense. Would a team like the Jets bring in Stewart or even Denver who run a WCO but still have Fox as their coach. I think they would want him and might pay him a bunch.

No they are a good example...they represent a team with no question marks in terms of getting production on the ground. They have a top tier RB on the roster already. That is the point. They wouldn't waste investing on something that isn't a need.

Of course Denver would sign him....they don't have a top tier runner on there team.

Carolina has a top tier runner they just paid in Williams. Plus Cam. Plus a good multipurpose RB. If you are anyone outside of a Carolian fan.....you answer the question should they pay Stewart the same way we would answer if Philly should go after him.

[panthers55]

Newton has been a key cog to his teams ground attacks and a highly effiecient/productive runner at every level and every year he has stepped onto a football field......assuming that will change would be making an assumption with little to back it. He is the ultimate mismatch.

And we might use him as a primary passer this year, the point is that you want him to run 250 times while I am not wedded to the idea. I would like him to scramble to avoid blindsided sacks but am not committed to the option attack with him running 20 times a game.

[CRA]

That wasn't the point, the issue was whether there were other backs who cost more who didn't produce aany more than Williams did.

You could make the point though that both McFadden and Peterson are coming off injuries which usually take time to heal. Would you be paying Peterson 14 million after cooming off ACL surgery.

As for McFadden he is still signed through 2012 and 2013. So he will making big bucks for an uncertain future.

You pay guys like Williams to be productive. He is at the top of the league with 5.4 yards a carry and 8.2 yards a reception. Are there guys cheaper who are more productive, yes. Could we have gone a different direction, yes.

But again why are we beating the same dead horse a year after the deal??

The point was that we could Stewart if we want to. I showed you how we could. You think it iss a bad idea, I think it no worse an iidea next year tehn it was last year or will be this year. Lets stick to Stewart and stop the endless Williams debate. You obviously aren't going to change your mind so what is the point??

I am the one who made the point.

My point was you don't pay someone like Williams to be responsible for that small of a role in terms of production for your team.

You are spinning it and saying since player X got hurt.....the result was similar production. Therefore it is the same. It isn't. Those guys are paid and expected to provide the bulk of the production........and Williams isn't.

I have already said I agree we could have Stewart if we wanted him. That is no different than saying we could have Richardson in the draft if we wanted him.

and sorry 55....but you simply can't talk about Stewart and his future with this team......and exclude DeAngleo from the talk. He is a factor in it for several reasons.

[panthers55]

No they are a good example...they represent a team with no question marks in terms of getting production on the ground. They have a top tier RB on the roster already. That is the point. They wouldn't waste investing on something that isn't a need.

Of course Denver would sign him....they don't have a top tier runner on there team.

Carolina has a top tier runner they just paid in Williams. Plus Cam. Plus a good multipurpose RB. If you are anyone outside of a Carolian fan.....you answer the question should they pay Stewart the same way we would answer if Philly should go after him.

Why do you want to get rid of Stewart so much after whining for months that we are going to lose him because of the Williams contract? If money isn't the issue then what? And who are we going to sign with all this money we supposedly save given we don't buy expensive free agents.

[CRA]

And we might use him as a primary passer this year, the point is that you want him to run 250 times while I am not wedded to the idea. I would like him to scramble to avoid blindsided sacks but am not committed to the option attack with him running 20 times a game.

just b/c you exagerrate my statement....doesn't mean that it becomes my opinion.

Cam Newton is a runner. Always has been. Only reason we were competitive is b/c of what he did with his arm and legs.

Cam will be a key piece in our ground production. Nothing supports him being removed from that aspect at this stage in his career. He will likely be the most efficent runner as well.....b/c he gets to take advantage of mismatches a RB simply doesn't get.

[carolina-chuck]

Brilliant!!!

Ignore that trading Williams will cost us 13.2 million in dead cap space!!!

Educate me for a bit. But I thought that cutting someone wouldnt cost us dead cap space, not trading someone. Yay, Nay?

[Toundra]

I would rather keep Stewart and let DW go.

Its a pain in the rear because i like DW..

[panthers55]

I am the one who made the point.

My point was you don't pay someone like Williams to be responsible for that small of a role in terms of production for your team.

You are spinning it and saying since player X got hurt.....the result was similar production. Therefore it is the same. It isn't. Those guys are paid and expected to provide the bulk of the production........and Williams isn't.

I have already said I agree we could have Stewart if we wanted him. That is no different than saying we could have Richardson in the draft if we wanted him.

and sorry 55....but you simply can't talk about Stewart and his future with this team......and exclude DeAngleo from the talk. He is a factor in it for several reasons.

But you morph every discussion for the past year into a whine about Williams. Just move on. We can keep Stewart if we want and what have we heard anyone say about getting rid of him?? Until it is a done deal why the contant diatribe now to trade Stewart for a 2nd or 3rd rounder just to get rid of him. Why not keep him this year and see what happens. Even if we lose him we get a low third rounder which is what many of you think we can get for him anyway and we get to use this year. I for oone would rather keep him for the year and pay the 2 million it costs over the 1.5 million in dead cap space if we trade him if all we are going to get in a third rounder anyway. Now if we are talking first rounder or very high second rounder then that might be different. Otherwise it is cheap insurance to keep him around for 2 million.