Jonathan Stewart The Most Elusive Rb In The Nfl?

[top dawg]

You are beating a dead horse, LOL. But I believe Hurney talked to Williams and Stewart last year before he signed Williams. Gantt tweeted that Williams negotiated and Stewart didn't want to talk. So he had to at least sign one of them so they signed Williams. I suspect they have continueed to talk with Stewart and that bringing in Tolbert was to mitigate the loss if we trade Stewart or lose him next year to free agency. People act like Stewart is some sort of victim to the cap here but I don't think so. If he wants to be here, Hurney will work it out.

I have a hunch that Stew didn't want to talk---if he didn't want to talk---because the FO was already partial to D-Will (right or wrong). There is no way you are going to tell me that Stewart wouldn't have taken a Williams-like contract at the time. IMO, the FO made the wrong---basically illogical decision to not make Stewart the priority. I am sure that when he came here, he was brought here to be the RB1, but Williams' over-achieved that year and put Stew's status as a long time Panther in a precarious position. To me, if our FO had just stuck to the original plan, we would have correctly signed the younger Stewart with several years of beastly potential, and left the aging and possibly peaked-out Williams into the position of trying to re-sign or moving on, as would have been the logical move all along.

I have probably thinned my hair out even more than it is, scratching my head as to why they didn't trade Williams before the 2010 trade deadline and rolled with Stewart, Goodson and Sutton. And now we are in a situation where another one of Hurney's dumb chickens may come home to roost. At least he had the sense to mitigate the potential problem that he created by obtaining a consolation prize in Tolbert.

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[brainless wuss]

I wonder how much injury history would affect Stewart's value. I'm not sure he's ever had a full week of practice. Perhaps he wouldn't hold up as a feature back.

[CRA]

I wonder how much injury history would affect Stewart's value. I'm not sure he's ever had a full week of practice. Perhaps he wouldn't hold up as a feature back.

Stewart has never missed a game. Williams has been several including going to IR.

[CRA]

If is the center of life. Right now we haven't spent more. Who knows maybe we sign Stewart and release Williams next year and spread the cap hit over 2 years. Maybe we trade Stewart. Maybe we get rid of both of them who knows. But the what if game to try and prove a point is a waste of time. You asked if any team has invested more than we have in the runnin game and the answer is yes. Next year is next year and totally different. Who knows what other teams will do next year. What we have is the here and now.

As I said, investing is not just cash....but if we keep both we will add that to the list.

No team in the NFL has invested top draft picks into their backfield like Carolina either.....we invested 2 1st round picks in 3 years. No team has done such a thing....

That means you are opting to limit the top talent to one area that isn't as valuable in today's NFL. That is still investing....and that isn't predicting and making assumptions. Shoot, name a team who has sent 2 1st on RBs in a half decades time....

[DaveThePanther2008]

I don't normally get into trade talk and value for a player. I have read and it intrigues me about Cleveland. Is it too far fetched to Trade J. Stewart and #9 to Cleveland for #4 and #22?

Clearly J. Stewart is a beast, with the addition of Tolbert something has to give. While I like Jonathan Stewart over D'Will. Trading J. Stewart for a 1st would really be sweet. We could take Claiborne and Brockers/Poe might be there at 22. We would still have a good opportunity to get a solid LB with the 40th pick.

Is this too far fetched?

[CRA]

I don't normally get into trade talk and value for a player. I have read and it intrigues me about Cleveland. Is it too far fetched to Trade J. Stewart and #9 to Cleveland for #4 and #22?

Clearly J. Stewart is a beast, with the addition of Tolbert something has to give. While I like Jonathan Stewart over D'Will. Trading J. Stewart for a 1st would really be sweet. We could take Claiborne and Brockers/Poe might be there at 22. We would still have a good opportunity to get a solid LB with the 40th pick.

Is this too far fetched?

Stewart doesn't hold that kind of value. It would cost probably Stewart just to swap picks.....they wouldn't give us the 22 on top of that

[DaveThePanther2008]

I don't know about that. Stewart is a proven back with low mileage. There is NO WAY we trade 9 and Stewart for #4.

[CRA]

I don't know about that. Stewart is a proven back with low mileage. There is NO WAY we trade 9 and Stewart for #4.

That is more realistic than trading Stewart to move up to 4 and then getting the 22. I am not saying to trade Stewart to move up....but the trade would only get to 4......Carolina would have to give up more to also get the 22

Look at a points breakdown on what it would cost Carolina to move from 9 to 4 just using draft picks.....it is probably more than you think.

Moving up to 4 would cost Carolina the 9 and approximately the 2nd round pick. So Stewart doesn't have the value to make the move up and then get us a 22nd overall pick.

[panthers55]

As I said, investing is not just cash....but if we keep both we will add that to the list.

No team in the NFL has invested top draft picks into their backfield like Carolina either.....we invested 2 1st round picks in 3 years. No team has done such a thing....

That means you are opting to limit the top talent to one area that isn't as valuable in today's NFL. That is still investing....and that isn't predicting and making assumptions. Shoot, name a team who has sent 2 1st on RBs in a half decades time....

Since you want to beat the dead horse and say the same thing over and over lets me follow suit. We are not everyone else. Tell me who else runs a spread option in the NFL? If that is no one, then how everyone else invests where is irrelevant. There are teams who are paying their backs more than we are paying our backs. I already told you Minnesota is one. Salary wise Williams and Stewart costs a total of 6.7 million which is less than the franchise tag paid for one feature back. We scored 25 points a game which is 3rd highest in our franchise history with what we have. We were top 5 in scoring offense. Why in the world would be change what is working great.

Running back is very valuable to us, plain and simple. If you want to join another team with different priorities then your conversation may have merit. You can argue all day what we should be doing or how it should be but until you run a FO, your opinion is like mine, worthless. Bitching about it isn't going to change it so why persist. Hurney and Rivera think running back is very important or they wouldn't have brought in Tolbert as well. And all the rumors say we are not trading Stewart. So regardless of what other teams are doing, this is what we want and how we roll.

Arguing for hundreds of posts doesn't change the direction we are going. We are a spread option attack with a strong running and passing attack. Who cares what everone else is doing?? Does anyone else have Newton at quarterback?? Let people copy us instead of blinding following them. I care about fixing the defense not changing the offense which is already very good.

[panthers55]

Moving up would be stupid. If anything we need to move down and get our third back. There are no players at 4 who we can't get a good replacement at 9. And no I don't think Claiborne would be so great in a primarily zone scheme that we couldn't find similar talent at 9 or even in lower rounds. We don't use a primary man scheme which is why Rivera doesn't pick corrners high.

[bleys]

theoretically, a lot of our cap woes should be replenished/fixed by having solid drafts.. out with the old, in with the new...

[panthers55]

Stewart has never missed a game. Williams has been several including going to IR.

Wrong again. Stewart only appeared in 14 games in 2010.

[CRA]

Since you want to beat the dead horse and say the same thing over and over lets me follow suit. We are not everyone else. Tell me who else runs a spread option in the NFL? If that is no one, then how everyone else invests where is irrelevant. There are teams who are paying their backs more than we are paying our backs. I already told you Minnesota is one. Salary wise Williams and Stewart costs a total of 6.7 million which is less than the franchise tag paid for one feature back. We scored 25 points a game which is 3rd highest in our franchise history with what we have. We were top 5 in scoring offense. Why in the world would be change what is working great.

Running back is very valuable to us, plain and simple. If you want to join another team with different priorities then your conversation may have merit. You can argue all day what we should be doing or how it should be but until you run a FO, your opinion is like mine, worthless. Bitching about it isn't going to change it so why persist. Hurney and Rivera think running back is very important or they wouldn't have brought in Tolbert as well. And all the rumors say we are not trading Stewart. So regardless of what other teams are doing, this is what we want and how we roll.

Arguing for hundreds of posts doesn't change the direction we are going. We are a spread option attack with a strong running and passing attack. Who cares what everone else is doing?? Does anyone else have Newton at quarterback?? Let people copy us instead of blinding following them. I care about fixing the defense not changing the offense which is already very good.

What you fail to realize is you also beat the same dead horse..... from the opposite side.