Panthers Are Listening To Offer For J-Stew

[DawgzLife]

Yea true it could also be keary colbert or eric shelton or richard marshall or dwayne jarrett or everette brown or sherrod martin or armanti edwards. The only good second round pick weve made since like 02 is ryan kalil. So you want to take a chance and trade stewart for any one of them??? Good call!!!!

Then you would be a fan of Hurney just giving away our 2nd round picks for nothing?! Poor history does not mean they will all be busts. I don't understand that logic; look at all of the elite players drafted in the 2nd rounds or later.

[KendrickPanther]

If you follow Stew on twitter you would know he has some strong ties to the northwest. I could see him going to a place like Seattle, that would be his "hometown discount". I know they just signed Lynch but he'd be no worse off than he is here. Maybe Stewart doesn't want to play in Denver, or with Fox. It's all speculation but I guess theres not much else to do right now.

[MHS831]

Bad trade for Carolina.

If Cleveland is really interested in Stew, I see their 2nd round pick for him.

They take Blackmon at #4, get their feature back in Stew...and still have their #22 pick.

Give McCoy some weapons.

They could offer a second, but I am thinking he will not bring a pick that high. I was thinking a third--heck, nobody is touching tendered players that have first round grades.

Stew is only worth 16 games to us. Makes no sense to re-sign him because DWill was give 20+million guaranteed to hit the wall next year when he turns 30==AAAAH. Still pissed about that.

[Mother Grabber]

So, any actual trade offers for Stewart yet?

Didn't think so.

[toldozer]

Then you would be a fan of Hurney just giving away our 2nd round picks for nothing?! Poor history does not mean they will all be busts. I don't understand that logic; look at all of the elite players drafted in the 2nd rounds or later.

My logic is simple. The compensation we get for stewart is going to be about equal if we trade him now or if we let him play out his contract. Id rather get the extra year out of him since i think we can challenge for the playoffs THIS YEAR.

[DawgzLife]

My logic is simple. The compensation we get for stewart is going to be about equal if we trade him now or if we let him play out his contract. Id rather get the extra year out of him since i think we can challenge for the playoffs THIS YEAR.

There is no garuntee he will garner a 3rd round pick, but even if he did (which I believe the $ of his contract may merit) it would be another year & a player who we get in exchange for the draft pick which we could get this year & the player may remain with us for a 4 year+ stint. I don't see that as equal. BTW, I love JStew as much as anybody, but just want the team to get more value.

I definitely do not see Tolbert as an equal to JStew, but he was signed to fill the same role. Tolbert is a very good RB, so splitting carries between 3 backs, when we don't run as much as we used to, seems a little like a waste. I understand what you are saying & it is just a valid...I'm just wanting to see us build a consistently strong team & 1 more year of JStew won't lead to that.

[DawgzLife]

Interesting...

I was looking on NFL.com & they have a draft cheatsheet. When addressing Trent Richardson, who of all NFL RBs do you think they used as a comparision? Johnathan Stewart.

Nothing Earth-shattering, but I thought that was pretty cool. Goes to show the respect he has around the league. I would hate to see him go no matter what, but since this issue came up & thinking it through, I now would be more disappointed if we didn't get something for him.

EDIT: Oops, forgot to add the link:

http://static.nfl.com/static/content/catch_all/nfl_image/DraftCheatSheet_1600EB3CDC.jpg

[DawgzLife]

Question for everyon: How much would we save if JStew was to be traded? His cap hit is about $2.6 million. He got a $500,000 signing bonus + $1.2 million misc. bonus (not sure what that is: workout, roster,etc.?). From the looks of it, we would 'only' save ~$1.3 million. (I say 'only', but it would double our current cap space...that's sad)

Can someone shed more educated light on this?

[MHS831]

FOLKS. It is not about the cap or how good Stewart is. It is about ROSTER spots. We do not need 3 stud, top tier RBs in this offense-it is a passing offense. Jeez. We have a starting CB with a completion against average of 65%. We have 2 LBs who are unlikely to return to form after major surgeries. We have no names at DT, and 1 DE who can get pressure consistently. Our Safeties were so clueless, their coach lost his job and they are next. We have a converted center at one Guard and who knows who will play the other. We might address 2 of these needs in the draft.

But we have the best 3 RBs in the league, all about to carry our arses to the playoffs by splitting the 20 carries a game they get. If you can spread the wealth, you eliminate weaknesses. I do not care how good Stewart is-he gets nine carries a game.

You have to make tough calls. If we have 3 stud RBs and no DTs, for example, we are going to LOSE! If you could bring in a DT for one of the RBs, do it. It doesn't matter when he was drafted or how much money he makes. Heck, it doesn't even matter how many yards per carry he averages--If he averages 5 and the NFL average is 4, you are talking 10 yards or less per game.

[MHS831]

Stewart is a good back. Hate to see him leave. But if he helps me get a player or Claiborne, I am willing to part with the 9 carries a game he provides/

[CRA]

FOLKS. It is not about the cap or how good Stewart is. It is about ROSTER spots. We do not need 3 stud, top tier RBs in this offense-it is a passing offense. Jeez. We have a starting CB with a completion against average of 65%. We have 2 LBs who are unlikely to return to form after major surgeries. We have no names at DT, and 1 DE who can get pressure consistently. Our Safeties were so clueless, their coach lost his job and they are next. We have a converted center at one Guard and who knows who will play the other. We might address 2 of these needs in the draft.

But we have the best 3 RBs in the league, all about to carry our arses to the playoffs by splitting the 20 carries a game they get. If you can spread the wealth, you eliminate weaknesses. I do not care how good Stewart is-he gets nine carries a game.

You have to make tough calls. If we have 3 stud RBs and no DTs, for example, we are going to LOSE! If you could bring in a DT for one of the RBs, do it. It doesn't matter when he was drafted or how much money he makes. Heck, it doesn't even matter how many yards per carry he averages--If he averages 5 and the NFL average is 4, you are talking 10 yards or less per game.

In addition to that, you can easily argue Cam is the most productive runner on the team......and that isn't just TDs it is converting more 3rd downs than any runner in the NFL.

So over investing at RB with a YOUNG Cam is just silly. Hurts our ability to build the rest of the roster

[CRA]

Stewart is a good back. Hate to see him leave. But if he helps me get a player or Claiborne, I am willing to part with the 9 carries a game he provides/

Stewart provided much more than that.

Stewart set Cam up all season with the spread read option. No other RB has experience with it. Tolbert is comparable in pass protection and a receiver though

[I am Hubby]

Okay, let's try it this way. Some teams are stacked at WR. (GB, NO) Some teams are stacked at LB. (Pitt, SF) Some teams are stacked at CB. (Jet, Eagles) Different teams have different stacked positions, and some even have more than one.

We happen to be stacked at RB. At the start of last year we were stacked at LB as well. I thought the idea was to have as much talent as you can?

One of the main arguements seems to be that Stewy gets limited carries. My response is that those carries are going to increase, not decrease. Cameron will be running less and less as he matures. The less he runs, the more the RBs run. If you are going to have RBs that run. Why not RBs that are really good at it?

Another arguement is that it is becoming a passing league. The RB is very intregal to our scheme. It is designed to get them the ball in space, or behind a wall of blockers. So our RBs TOUCH the ball quite a bit. If they have the ball so much, why not have talented guys getting all the touches?

The name of the game is production. Both Stewy and DWill are productive. Tolbert as well 4fore I get pooed.

In the not so near future both DWill and Stewy will be gone. Why not enjoy it. Relish in the fact that the vast majority of fans are jealous, and would love to trade backfields. Cuz believe it or not, great RBs do not grow on trees.

Short story long. We are an offense primed to explode. Why not have all the weapons you can muster?

[frash.exe]

Okay, let's try it this way. Some teams are stacked at WR. (GB, NO) Some teams are stacked at LB. (Pitt, SF) Some teams are stacked at CB. (Jet, Eagles) Different teams have different stacked positions, and some even have more than one.

We happen to be stacked at RB. At the start of last year we were stacked at LB as well. I thought the idea was to have as much talent as you can?

Having more than one adequate starter and a few capable spell guys is about as crucial to winning a championship as a fart at a slipknot concert. Yea there's a difference between being pittsburgh and san fran being stacked at linebacker and us at RB it's called we don't put 4 running backs on the field at the same time as often as they put linebackers on. Green Bay and SF, and why not mention New England as well are teams that heavily use spread formations. Tell me how this is similar to a system that passes the ball more often than running it investing 90 million dollars in the running back position, which is only one starting position.

In the not so near future both DWill and Stewy will be gone. Why not enjoy it. Relish in the fact that the vast majority of fans are jealous, and would love to trade backfields. Cuz believe it or not, great RBs do not grow on trees.

there honestly is no other position on either offense or defense to get short-term and easy production out of. They burn out the quickest and you can find a committee of lesser talents to get by today. FFS Marion Barber was touted as one of the best pure runners in the league and on the brink of success in recent years and he's just retired.

One of the main arguements seems to be that Stewy gets limited carries. My response is that those carries are going to increase, not decrease. Cameron will be running less and less as he matures. The less he runs, the more the RBs run. If you are going to have RBs that run. Why not RBs that are really good at it?

well, besides cap allocation being a very important issue, maybe the fact that a lot of those runs are going to turn into pass attempts as he gets better reading defenses and doesn't have to tuck it and take off as much.

Another arguement is that it is becoming a passing league. The RB is very intregal to our scheme. It is designed to get them the ball in space, or behind a wall of blockers. So our RBs TOUCH the ball quite a bit. If they have the ball so much, why not have talented guys getting all the touches?

there is no statistical evidence that supports this and you're just basing this off of an assumption. for starters the panthers were ranked in the middle of the league at attempts per game this year, and our leading receiver at RB, Stewart, had about 10 RBs in the league with more receptions

Short story long. We are an offense primed to explode. Why not have all the weapons you can muster?

this doesn't hinge on Stewart being on the team at all