In The First Round, The Panthers Select....

[CRA]

Wilfork was one of the most disruptive DT in college football...he had 7 sacks as a soph and wasn't even starting. Poe doesn't compare to all these players people refer him too.

They played great on college against better comp

[ncmonzta]

One thing everyone has to remember this draft is that this is Rivera's team. He's brought a new attitude here. I'd bet if Peppers came back he wouldn't be taking plays off. That's one of the many reasons he chose Cam. If you dont have the tools+drive then you won't be rocking that new Panther logo. So whoever we pick at #9 is gonna be worth it.

[thefuzz]

Wilfork was a better DT in college and faced better competition. Being fat doesn't make them comparable college players.

Didn't say it did. I said he reminds me of Wilfork and Ngata. Huge men that can do things that don't seem possible because of their size.

For Poe to succede all he has to do is learn the technique, and get mentally tough out there. Two things that can be taught.

Something else that has to be there for his position, is size and athletic ability, two things that can't be taught.

I have not interviewed him, but if he has the drive, and the will, he is not a bad pick at 9.

Those players are just really hard to find, and the DT position is probably the 4th most important position on the football field.

Also as to VW having better numbers, I bet he was also double teamed about half of what Poe was....not to mention QB's and RB's getting flushed to him because of better DE play.

[Snake]

Coples is strong against the run. GT attacked him low and he got frustrated while they ran all over the heels (like GT did to many opponents). but he played hard, and worked through chips and blockers with good motor. very strong and speed to run plays down from behind. if he's there at nine, i take him.

Except for the fact he plays with high pad level and does not use his hands or strength to his advantage. Coupled with his avg bust off the line and this guy is going to be the next Tyler Brayton. The kid when he first enters into the NFL is going to get blown up by T and G wherever he plays and will not be able to just out talent tackles like he did in college. As i said before the kid will not make a impact in year one and two but after that he will be a good DE.

In all honesty he prob is a better prospect at the Jack LB spot and that is mostly where his talents lie.

[CRA]

What about Poe reminds you of Wilfork I'm regards to playing football? That is my only point. Seems pretty generous to compare to compare him to Willfork bc of what shows up on a scale...

Wilfork was regarded as one of the most disruptive DTs in all of college football...he saw double teams. If he playing in CUSA he would have embarrassed people.

I'll take the guy who dominates in pads over the guy who dominates in shorts every time. Poe would probably be the biggest gamble Huney has taken in the first round of you are judging them by what guys have proven as football players.

[thefuzz]

What about Poe reminds you of Wilfork I'm regards to playing football? That is my only point. Seems pretty generous to compare to compare him to Willfork bc of what shows up on a scale...

Size, strength, athleticism, quickness.

Some of the most important factors in deciding where and when to take a DT.

Again, I don't know him, nor have I ever talked to him, but if he has desire, then I am not worried.

I worry when you take players whom are too slow, too small, etc...for their positions. I.E. Everette Brown. Those players are exactly why I don't alway look at college production when evaluation a D player.

[Snake]

Size, strength, athleticism, quickness.

Some of the most important factors in deciding where and when to take a DT.

Again, I don't know him, nor have I ever talked to him, but if he has desire, then I am not worried.

I worry when you take players whom are too slow, too small, etc...for their positions. I.E. Everette Brown. Those players are exactly why I don't alway look at college production when evaluation a D player.

If your looking for these things in a DT prospect and not looking at there body of work then you pick Brockers not Poe. Poe might have some similarities to Wilfork but he would be a poor mans Wilfork not the next Wilfork.

[CRA]

But if it doesn't translate on the field it is a pretty mute point. Goes back to lots of physically impressive guys don't make

the best players.

Poe is the polar opposite of Brown and I personally view that as a negative. Poe had all the physical tool (outside of his alligator size midget arms he had all the tools) and still was great against weak comp.

Name a first round pick out of a weak conf that didn't dominate with the opportunity.....but worked out as a pro.

[thefuzz]

Not saying he will be VW, or Ngata, but that's who he reminds me of.

I'm not saying draft him, as I have never talked to the dude. But if he wants it, he can be a good NFL player as he has the skill set to do so.

And let's be honest, DT is our most glaring need at the moment, either that or the CB position.

[Snake]

Not saying he will be VW, or Ngata, but that's who he reminds me of.

I'm not saying draft him, as I have never talked to the dude. But if he wants it, he can be a good NFL player as he has the skill set to do so.

And let's be honest, DT is our most glaring need at the moment, either that or the CB position.

CB is most glaring because we dont really have a CB with size on the team. While DT was horrible last year it was because the Rookies were taking there lumps. You put another Rookie in this year and the same will happen. Its just the learning curve of the NFL. If we want to see improved DT play we need to pick up a FA like Garey and let our other two DTs develop.

[thefuzz]

But if it doesn't translate on the field it is a pretty mute point. Goes back to lots of physically impressive guys don't make

the best players.

Poe is the polar opposite of Brown and I personally view that as a negative. Poe had all the physical tool (outside of his alligator size midget arms he had all the tools) and still was great against weak comp.

Name a first round pick out of a weak conf that didn't dominate with the opportunity.....but worked out as a pro.

Good lord, where to start?

Just last year, Jason Pierre Paul.

[thefuzz]

CB is most glaring because we dont really have a CB with size on the team. While DT was horrible last year it was because the Rookies were taking there lumps. You put another Rookie in this year and the same will happen. Its just the learning curve of the NFL. If we want to see improved DT play we need to pick up a FA like Garey and let our other two DTs develop.

Not disagreeing about which is more of a need, I think it can be argued both ways.

That said, we do have 1 really really good CB in Gamble. We have 0 decent DT's combined.

Learning curve for DT is steep, not denying that, but you also have to have crazy talent and size to be good/great at that position, and I'm not sure that any of our DT's are elite athletes.

[thefuzz]

Good lord, where to start?

Just last year, Jason Pierre Paul.

Add our very own Charles Johnson to the list as well....totally forgot about him.

[MadHatter]

And let's be honest, DT is our most glaring need at the moment,

Coach Rivera begs to differ......