Luke Kuechly Visiting Carolina

[Louie]

beason's only a great MLB in a tampa 2 type scheme btw

That's yet to be seen, since he was on IR all of last season. Sadly, he may not come back 100% and we will never know how good he could have been in another system.

[Kurb]

Seems we have second biggest group at BC Proday today.

SMH/QQ

[frash.exe]

i mean do we really think we haven't invested enough in the linebacker position that we need to spend another first round pick on one

[csx]

beason's only a great MLB in a tampa 2 type scheme btw

You could say the tamp 2 plays to his strengths but since he hasn't played in another defense professionally nobody knows.

[panthers55]

i mean do we really think we haven't invested enough in the linebacker position that we need to spend another first round pick on one

When you have 2 out of 3 starters coming back from major surgery what can you do? If Beason and Davis were going to be 100% we wouldn't be having this discussion.

[megadeth078]

When you have 2 out of 3 starters coming back from major surgery what can you do? If Beason and Davis were going to be 100% we wouldn't be having this discussion.

there's a 2nd round, a 4th round, a 5th round...

[Kurb]

I would hate hate hate a first round LB pick.

[megadeth078]

I would hate hate hate a first round LB pick.

What can we do? Claiborne isn't really going to fall.

Trade down and get Janoris?

[frash.exe]

When you have 2 out of 3 starters coming back from major surgery what can you do? If Beason and Davis were going to be 100% we wouldn't be having this discussion.

well the Davis case is self-inflicted. many other teams would've moved on a long time ago and if our front office understood that it's counterproductive to just keep expecting injured players to return to prior form and stay healthy we'd have our replacement by now.

The Beason situation, is... a problem. But it doesn't justify continuing to invest in talent so disproportionately. So far this offseason between offense and defense we've addressed our running game which was among the best in the league.

[panthers55]

hold on a minute. P55 was the one using stats to base his entire argument? Then why did he kill his own argument by saying that if we went by stats (sacks/blitz percentage), Beason wouldn't fit at MLB? P55, you can't just say stats matter then say "oh, but don't look at those other stats, they aren't important". They all don't mean anything.

That's what I get for coming in late. I am dense.

College production does matter but is not an end all or be all. You combine college production with measurables both athletic and internal (interviews, motivation, etc) with draft analysis and you project whether you think a guy will help you or not. I have been using the Willis comparisons when folks say Kuechly is average or not worthy of a first rounder. I point that he only played 3 years but outproduced anyone in college history. You add the measurables from the combine and the analysis that he is smart, instinctive, hardworking and you got a great prospect.

The whole Curry argument is a red herring because while it is valid that he was a can't miss prospect and had great measurables, so did Willis and Von Miller. But if you went by Curry you wouldn't have picked either of them. And if you went by that kind of argument with Jamarcus Russell who was can't miss as well, you wouldn't hsve picked Cam Newton.

My point about blitzing is that because you haven't done it doesn't mean you can't if you have the skill set to do it. If Kuechly shouldn't be chosen because he didn't blitz in college then either should Beason. And frankly since Davis was a safety in college, he shouldn't even be playing linebacker. I was pointing out that line of reasoning was a non-sequitor.

Are we up to speed now???

[panthers55]

well the Davis case is self-inflicted. many other teams would've moved on a long time ago and if our front office understood that it's counterproductive to just keep expecting injured players to return to prior form and stay healthy we'd have our replacement by now.

The Beason situation, is... a problem. But it doesn't justify continuing to invest in talent so disproportionately. So far this offseason between offense and defense we've addressed our running game which was among the best in the league.

It has only been a few weeks since free agency started and the draft is not even here yet. Give it time, lets see what happens.

As for Davis, yeah, we should have gotten his replacement but I think we really went great guns to fix the offense. Rivera also likely understimated the need probably feeling he could fix the issue given his defensive coaching skills. Now he knows he needs a player or two. I think we will take1 or 2 linebackers in the draft if we don't get one in free agency.

[panthers55]

there's a 2nd round, a 4th round, a 5th round...

We need a guy who can start if needed this year not 5 years from now. Anderson was a third rounder if I remember correctly and it took 5 years for him to be the everyday starter. Even if we had pushed the issue he wasn't ready for at least 3 years.

[panthers55]

beason's only a great MLB in a tampa 2 type scheme btw

We don't run the tampa 2 system. Our Mike plays much closer to the line of scrimmage and always has. We play a cover 2 shell but not a Tampa 2. When Meeks ran Fox's system and last year ran Rivera/McDermott's which was not the Tampa 2.

[panthers55]

p55 states that he evaluates players on their stats and their physical attributes. If we went by his criteria we would have drafted Posluszny over Beason

That is 2 areas you look for. Add draft analysis if you are a fan or scouting reports, private workouts/prodays and interviews which we are not privy to see and you have what you need to know. I don't know if that means I or anyone else would have taken Poz over Beason but if I were picking right now, one thing Posluszny has going for him, he played 16 games last year, had 119 tackles and isn't coming off achilles surgery.