Panthers Agree With Tolbert On 4 Year Deal

[CarolinaCatBrigade]

We will be running the Quadruple option next year. The next best thing since sliced bread, and it's the 4G compared to the 3G. The hip to the hop, the ping to the pong. Oh... you know what I'm saying... right?

[CRA]

The notion that Williams cannot be traded is ridiculous.

His contact is very workable now.

DeAngelo Williams Running Back

7/29/2011: Signed a five-year, $43 million contract. The deal contains $21 million guaranteed, including a $16 million signing bonus and $5 million of Williams' second-year base salary. 2012: $5.25 million, 2013: $4.75 million, 2014: $5.75 million, 2015: $6.75 million, 2016: Free Agent

Compared to the franchise tag hit of 7.7 million. His is not too bad.

He has already been paid 21 million.

yeah, but who wants to trade for a 29 yr old RB in today's NFL?

[stirs]

With Manning headed to Denver, I can now see that DWill could possibly be traded. McGahee is not the type of back to work in a Manning offense, and Moreno has a DUI and is constantly hurt. Also, McGahee is disgruntled. Maybe Fox did more last wek in Carolina than we thought.

I am sure Person is on it.

[cotblock]

This personnel + Chud + full offseason to fully install offense = unstoppable.

Now, just sign a big space-eating DT to take pressure off of Beason and draft Claiborne or, if he's already gone, trade back and get an additional pick. Playoffs, here we come. We might just get Smitty that Lombardi yet ;)

[PantherBrew]

yeah, but who wants to trade for a 29 yr old RB in today's NFL?

Well its relative value.

He is a proven commodity with a good contract for his prospective team.

29, but with limited carries.

I am not saying he will or should be traded, but i am not saying it is unpossible.

[Snake]

Ok lets talk about Tolbert.

-Big power back with some speed

-Will help out in the redzone a lot and take pressure off of Cam

-As of now, will give us 3 great running backs

Im excited.

Yes this is good in so many ways. It means we will not have to run cam so much in the red zone and we will have 3 backs that can kill you in many ways.

This also helps when Dwill starts to get too expensive. Will allow us to cut him and either sign a smaller deal or allow us to move forward with two great backs. We win either way.

[MadHatter]

The notion that Williams cannot be traded is ridiculous.

His contact is very workable now.

DeAngelo Williams Running Back

7/29/2011: Signed a five-year, $43 million contract. The deal contains $21 million guaranteed, including a $16 million signing bonus and $5 million of Williams' second-year base salary. 2012: $5.25 million, 2013: $4.75 million, 2014: $5.75 million, 2015: $6.75 million, 2016: Free Agent

Compared to the franchise tag hit of 7.7 million. His is not too bad.

He has already been paid 21 million.

You really do not understand how trading a player with a contract works.

Yes, he has been paid $21M already. However, $15M of that was in a signing bonus...which is prorated ove rthe contract. If somone traded for him, they would only have cash outlay for the remaining pieces. However, they would inherit the contract and thus higher cap hits for the prorated portion of the bonus.

So, even though they only pay $4.5M per year....the cap hit to them for each year would be several million higher.

[panthers55]

The notion that Williams cannot be traded is ridiculous.

His contact is very workable now.

DeAngelo Williams Running Back

7/29/2011: Signed a five-year, $43 million contract. The deal contains $21 million guaranteed, including a $16 million signing bonus and $5 million of Williams' second-year base salary. 2012: $5.25 million, 2013: $4.75 million, 2014: $5.75 million, 2015: $6.75 million, 2016: Free Agent

Compared to the franchise tag hit of 7.7 million. His is not too bad.

He has already been paid 21 million.

If you trade Williams this year the Panthers would have a dead salary cap hit of 12.8 million dollars in 2012 (3.2 million times the next 4 years) . The team that gets him would have to pay the 5.2 million and the rest of the salaries only going forward. If you trade him next year you have a dead salary cap space hit of 9.6 million, in 2014 it is 6.4 million and in 2015 3.2million It would be a fine deal for who gets him but a terrible one for us.

If you trade Stewart today you would have a 1.3 million dead space cap hit.

You tell me who gets traded.

[Floppin]

You really do not understand how trading a player with a contract works.

Yes, he has been paid $21M already. However, $15M of that was in a signing bonus...which is prorated ove rthe contract. If somone traded for him, they would only have cash outlay for the remaining pieces. However, they would inherit the contract and thus higher cap hits for the prorated portion of the bonus.

So, even though they only pay $4.5M per year....the cap hit to them for each year would be several million higher.

Are you sure they inherit the cap hits for the bonus, don't we keep that hit and it doesn't follow the player to the next team. IE, what happened with Delhomme, technically he was cut but you know what I mean.

[panthers55]

You really do not understand how trading a player with a contract works.

Yes, he has been paid $21M already. However, $15M of that was in a signing bonus...which is prorated ove rthe contract. If somone traded for him, they would only have cash outlay for the remaining pieces. However, they would inherit the contract and thus higher cap hits for the prorated portion of the bonus.

So, even though they only pay $4.5M per year....the cap hit to them for each year would be several million higher.

Actually all the signing bonus escalates to us to pay in the year we trade him.

[Floppin]

Actually all the signing bonus escalates to us to pay in the year we trade him.

Yeah that's what I thought.

[MadHatter]

Are you sure they inherit the cap hits for the bonus, don't we keep that hit and it doesn't follow the player to the next team. IE, what happened with Delhomme, technically he was cut but you know what I mean.

We CUT Delhomme....thus had the cap hit of the acceleration of the unallocated signing bonus dollars.

In a trade, i thought the contract was passed to the other team.....but based on 55 I stand corrected.

[CRA]

my take -

Tobert means:

Goodbye Goodson and Shockey. Observer hit one thing on the head, move is more about replacing Shockey than Goodson.

It will lessen the blow when we lose half of Double Trouble next year.

Probably a decent move the more I think about it.....special teams wise and replacing the TE in the H back role is a good move. He is better than Shockey in many of the packages they ran w/ Shockey in the backfield.

[PantherBrew]

You really do not understand how trading a player with a contract works.

Yes, he has been paid $21M already. However, $15M of that was in a signing bonus...which is prorated ove rthe contract. If somone traded for him, they would only have cash outlay for the remaining pieces. However, they would inherit the contract and thus higher cap hits for the prorated portion of the bonus.

So, even though they only pay $4.5M per year....the cap hit to them for each year would be several million higher.

I just meant it by the amount of cash the team owes him.

We have already paid a larger portion of the contract. The number against the cap would be higher, but they wouldn't actually be paying all the cash.