Hurney is given too much credit

[megadeth078]

Man, you guys should all put "tl;dr" at the end of your posts because you guys didn't read anything. This thread was supposed to be about our budget. This is not a Hurney hate thread. Where is that even coming from? I know my post was about Hurney and his actions, or lack thereof, but this isn't a "do you like Hurney? yes or no?" thread. You guys seem to have missed the point. My point was that maybe Hurney isn't being cheap because he wants to.

[panthers55]

Things I have learned on the Huddle in the last few days.

1. Random poster mock drafts are always better than the guys who get paid to do it for a living.

2.Watching a player on TV or a YouTube highlight video is the same or even better than coaches game tape.

3. Posters who don't even know where the GM office is located are infinitely quaified to know what happened in negotiations and pass judgement about why we signed or didn't sign a player.

4. You can tell whether a draft was good or bad after one year and no one who sucks right off the bat ever improves.

5. The best way to evaluate a deal is in hindsight which is always 20/20 regardless of the circumstances when it was actually done.

6. If you don't make a splash in free agency within 48 hours you suck.

7. If you go out and make a splash right away you suck because you overspent.

8. If you don't bring in every guy you look at you suck because you don't want to build a winner.

9. No matter how well you pick in the draft, the ones you miss on will be brought up every year for the next five or six drafts.

10. The way to win an argument is to express the same thoughts over and over again in multiple threads under the premise that more is better and if you can't beat them with your intelligence overwhelm them with your BS and sheer volume.

11. Common sense is actually pretty rare.

12. He who has the last word is right.

[MHS831]

I am ashamed to be associated with the lot of you in fandom.

I will say this one last friggin' time:

HURNEY. PICKS. WHO. THE. COACHES. WANT. PERIOD.

His job is cap management. We pay what it takes to retain the players that want and deserve to be here, we don't overpay for outside talent on a whim, and we primarily build through the draft, picking players that the COACHES feel they need.

If you want a GM that picks the players that HE wants, then go look at A.J. Smith of the Chargers (who is notoriously despised through most of the league.)

This is Rivera's club now, and Hurney will pick the players Ron really feels need to be here. The only year that Hurney picked on his own was 2010, and that was because Fox was a walking lame duck. But the years before that, it was primarily Fox wanting to trade up for Otah, and Fox wanting to grab Armanti, and Fox lobbying to get Ken Lucas, and Fox wanting to let Peppers walk because he didn't feel that Peppers wanted to be here.

But Hurney's job is to manage the cap, and make money for the players that the coaches target. That's it. And he's pretty damn good at that particular task. If you're looking for a talent savant, that's really not the job Richardson wants him doing, because Hurney doesn't coach or train the players. He runs the scouting department, they put together the grades to pass to the coaching staff, and then together they figure out who and what to target. If we go the next several years with bad drafts that's going to be on Rivera, not Hurney. And I've liked what I've seen out of Rivera, I think he identifies talent very well (he was the one lusting after Cam, after all.)

Hurney did have a draft without a coach's input

Clausen

Armanti Edwards

a 3-4 OLB-- Norwood

another QB--Pike

[Marguide]

Things I have learned on the Huddle in the last few days...

Yeah, I think you pretty much nailed it.

[megadeth078]

Things I have learned on the Huddle in the last few days.

1. Random poster mock drafts are always better than the guys who get paid to do it for a living.

2.Watching a player on TV or a YouTube highlight video is the same or even better than coaches game tape.

3. Posters who don't even know where the GM office is located are infinitely quaified to know what happened in negotiations and pass judgement about why we signed or didn't sign a player.

4. You can tell whether a draft was good or bad after one year and no one who sucks right off the bat ever improves.

5. The best way to evaluate a deal is in hindsight which is always 20/20 regardless of the circumstances when it was actually done.

6. If you don't make a splash in free agency within 48 hours you suck.

7. If you go out and make a splash right away you suck because you overspent.

8. If you don't bring in every guy you look at you suck because you don't want to build a winner.

9. No matter how well you pick in the draft, the ones you miss on will be brought up every year for the next five or six drafts.

10. The way to win an argument is to express the same thoughts over and over again in multiple threads under the premise that more is better and if you can't beat them with your intelligence overwhelm them with your BS and sheer volume.

11. Common sense is actually pretty rare.

12. He who has the last word is right.

I could have sworn you've been here longer.

[jtnc]

Hurney doesn't deserve the hate he gets.

Talk all you want about to much credit...

Most of ya have no fuging idea what hurney's and the front office plan is. Some of it is obvious, but most of you ignore that, cause it doesn't support your idea of how hurney should be doing his job.

Hurney doesn't do some things i'd do, so that must mean he's a fuging idiot.

Nevermind he has the owner to answer to.

Nevermind he works closely with the coaches and scouting department.

If we all knew hurney's plan, we'd all have a lot more understanding, but we aren't going to know, ever.

We know this. The panthers build through the draft, and use free agency for role players. That is richardson's policy.

If ya can't accept that, then find another team to root for until they don't do, or do something that ya don't agree with.

Huney isn't going anywhere. He isn't as bad as you say he is, and he ain't the best in the known universe.

What a completely stupid statement, just because I don't agree with the team's decisions doesn't mean I'm gonna hop on another team, I'm not gonna shutup about it either. Our record for the past three years speaks for itself, we have had NO winning seasons in the past three years.

[jtnc]

And if we don't have a winning season this year, more excuses will come.

[chef17]

I am ashamed to be associated with the lot of you in fandom.

I will say this one last friggin' time:

HURNEY. PICKS. WHO. THE. COACHES. WANT. PERIOD.

His job is cap management. We pay what it takes to retain the players that want and deserve to be here, we don't overpay for outside talent on a whim, and we primarily build through the draft, picking players that the COACHES feel they need.

If you want a GM that picks the players that HE wants, then go look at A.J. Smith of the Chargers (who is notoriously despised through most of the league.)

This is Rivera's club now, and Hurney will pick the players Ron really feels need to be here. The only year that Hurney picked on his own was 2010, and that was because Fox was a walking lame duck. But the years before that, it was primarily Fox wanting to trade up for Otah, and Fox wanting to grab Armanti, and Fox lobbying to get Ken Lucas, and Fox wanting to let Peppers walk because he didn't feel that Peppers wanted to be here.

But Hurney's job is to manage the cap, and make money for the players that the coaches target. That's it. And he's pretty damn good at that particular task. If you're looking for a talent savant, that's really not the job Richardson wants him doing, because Hurney doesn't coach or train the players. He runs the scouting department, they put together the grades to pass to the coaching staff, and then together they figure out who and what to target. If we go the next several years with bad drafts that's going to be on Rivera, not Hurney. And I've liked what I've seen out of Rivera, I think he identifies talent very well (he was the one lusting after Cam, after all.)

Umm Armanti was picked in 2010

[rico6]

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