More dwill contract rant

[panthers55]

Three years ago dwill was 26 he is now 28 going on 29. Many backs are not very productive after 30.

Research actually doesn't support that notion that there is a fall off for all backs. I shared a study in another thread which showed that while age is a factor if you look at total yards or fantasy points (their measures not mine) it varies widely. It has to do with the fact that only real good runners are in the league after 30 and that those who aren't are gone earlier. They also looked at number of total carries as a factor and found that there was a downward swing between 1500 and 2000 carries but then an upward swing between 2000-2500 carries with a real drop off after 3000 carries. So If you say many backs fall off you wouldn't be wrong but it doesn't really address the situations of either Williams or Stewart. At this point Williams has right at a 1000 carries and Stewart has just over 700. At the rate they are going they won't even hit 1500 yards for 3 and 5 years respectively. What was the drop off after 1500 yards? 10% I think.

Some of these widely held views are not supported by the fact like the idea that the average NFL career is 3.5 years. Not true at all if they make an opening day roster. The lower number includes all the players who sign a contract but never make the 53 man roster. If you only look at players on active rosters it is close to 6 years.

[frash.exe]

Basically, defensive linemen and corners come very expensive in FA and the Giants realize this so they invest a lot more draft picks there than elsewhere on the defense and look to FA to fill a hole at safety and linebacker (or use later round picks). They are too in demand in FA and they know Jacobs isn't going to get the money he thinks he's worth.

Meanwhile we've got 4 first round picks at linebacker and running back, two places where you don't have to break the bank to get a productive unit lol

[panthers55]

We will just magically "find" the money to resign Stewart. Man, if only the other teams had our magic and could just "find" money when their guys get ready to leave. We got a good thing going, just hope the league does not investigate our unfair advantage.

Don't be ridiculous. It isn't magic it is managing the cap as we always have. Again who of our core group that we wanted to keep and who wanted to be here have we lost because we didn't have the money??? If we have always done it before why are we suddenly not going to be able to now? Do you really think that Hurney wasn't figuring out what we were going to do with Stewart when he signed Williams? Do you wonder why Williams contract has the lowest cap hit in 2013 when we just happen to have to sign Stewart??? Coincidence???

Seriously????

But again I said I was done arguing about that contract which is ancient history. Trying repeating the Serenity prayer a couple of times, it really works.

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I suppose these threads come up during FA when others are signing guys but our cupboard is bare because we don't have the cap room, or we are not using our magic or whatever. Just wait till next year. It well get downright nasty. Sign Stewart? Extend Cam? Otah? Of course, if we deem them core players, I am certain they will just fall in place.

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The Giants aren't paying "core" player Brandon Jacobs because any front office that's smart doesn't pay running backs anymore, and you can sit there and put on the rose colored sunglasses all you want, paint a nice Bob Ross style picture, but it's not going to make us win more than they are because they know which positions to invest the money in and the Panthers' leadership still hasn't figured it out yet.

Didn't the giants totally pay brandon jacobs? Even with ahmad bradshaw in the fold? That seems like a poor example.

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Didn't the giants totally pay brandon jacobs? Even with ahmad bradshaw in the fold? That seems like a poor example.

lol deangelo's contract alone was almost as much as the combined contract of jacobs and bradshaw

they gave him an extension but it was like 15 mil less than deangelo's and he's not even going to get the last year of it.

[panthers55]

Basically, defensive linemen and corners come very expensive in FA and the Giants realize this so they invest a lot more draft picks there than elsewhere on the defense and look to FA to fill a hole at safety and linebacker (or use later round picks). They are too in demand in FA and they know Jacobs isn't going to get the money he thinks he's worth.

Meanwhile we've got 4 first round picks at linebacker and running back, two places where you don't have to break the bank to get a productive unit lol

Before you laugh too loud and long at your own genius why not look at what we actually paid those 2 linebackers and running backs.

Davis- 5 year- 10.6 million contract

Beason- 5 year- 15.3 million contract

Stewart- 5 year- 14 million dollar contract

Williams-5 year- 14.5 million contract

Who exactly broke the bank with any of these picks. Even before the rookie cap, after the top 10 picks the salary numbers drop off quite a bit.

How many free agents would we get for much less who have first round talent at those positions???

[frash.exe]

you notice you only really hear panther fans saying the 5 year/43 million dollar contract with 21 mil guaranteed and a 16 million dollar signing bonus we gave to Williams was sensible

meanwhile god forbid we have enough money to attract Reggie Nelson here and shore up the safety position because apparently we'll never sign another team's free agents because we had bad experiences with Lucas and Wahle in terms of value. Just as long as we're only extending the players we KNOW will produce for us, we can tolerate not going to the playoffs for most of the seasons.

[panthers55]

lol deangelo's contract alone was almost as much as the combined contract of jacobs and bradshaw

they gave him an extension but it was like 15 mil less than deangelo's and he's not even going to get the last year of it.

I can see why. Jacobs had 3.8 yards a carry last year and was so highly thought of they dumped him last week. Bradshaw- averaged 3.9. I would pay a lot more for a guy who averages 5.4 yards a carry over 2 guys who averaged less than 4.

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I can see why. Jacobs had 3.8 yards a carry last year and was so highly thought of they dumped him last week. Bradshaw- averaged 3.9. I would pay a lot more for a guy who averages 5.4 yards a carry over 2 guys who averaged less than 4.

yea and look how much their unproductive backfield set the team back this year

you're paying a lot more for positions that are essentially obsolete when it comes to building a winner

[panthers55]

you notice you only really hear panther fans saying the 5 year/43 million dollar contract with 21 mil guaranteed and a 16 million dollar signing bonus we gave to Williams was sensible

meanwhile god forbid we have enough money to attract Reggie Nelson here and shore up the safety position because apparently we'll never sign another team's free agents because we had bad experiences with Lucas and Wahle in terms of value. Just as long as we're only extending the players we KNOW will produce for us, we can tolerate not going to the playoffs for most of the seasons.

You only really hear panther fans bitching about the money we paid Deangelo and then acting as if we would take that money and go on a spending spree in free agency filling in all these defensive holes. You would think that after 5 years of not spending big in free agency they would finally get a clue. I guess some people are so busy complaining they can't see that regardless of what we spend on our players we are not going to bring in a bunch of high priced free agents.

[Stroupe-a-loop]

you notice you only really hear panther fans saying the 5 year/43 million dollar contract with 21 mil guaranteed and a 16 million dollar signing bonus we gave to Williams was sensible.

I think most Panther fans think it was too much, but I think too many other panther fans want to harp on the contract forever like it is killing the franchise. It's not.

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Before you laugh too loud and long at your own genius why not look at what we actually paid those 2 linebackers and running backs.

Davis- 5 year- 10.6 million contract

Beason- 5 year- 15.3 million contract

Stewart- 5 year- 14 million dollar contract

Williams-5 year- 14.5 million contract

Who exactly broke the bank with any of these picks. Even before the rookie cap, after the top 10 picks the salary numbers drop off quite a bit.

How many free agents would we get for much less who have first round talent at those positions???

imagine those same contract numbers invested in a great DE or a corner you can leave in single coverage. Free agent DEs like Mario Williams are getting $100 million dollar contracts, corners are getting $50 million. Play the numbers to your advantage, pay for linebackers and running backs in FA because they don't cost nearly as much and save the early rounds of the draft for the critical positions.

this is partly why I don't want us picking DeCastro so we can extend him for like $60 mil to play guard in 4 years

our 9th pick, whomever it may be, is going to cost roughly 13 mil, and most of it is going to be guaranteed. I'd rather invest it in a guy that can be just as productive as Mario Williams (Coples) than a guy who plays yet another relatively insignificant position

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Why call it DWill hate why not Hurney hate.If we would quit dumpster diving for an OL we could have Stew and dwill running for 1000 each.Thats what pisses me off.

we don't know whether or not this is coming from higher up in the org