More dwill contract rant

[pantherclaw]

Question.

If 3 years ago, the Panthers extended Williams contract 4 years, adding $34 million in value to his contract, would you have bitched and moaned then?

Or would you have looked at is as a good move, locking up a quality productive back that gave the Panthers one of the best rushing attacks they've ever had?

He was worth the money back then, and would have got it, if it weren't for the unsettled future of the CBA. The Panthers held off extending their core guys, wanting to know what the new CBA would be like.

Now all fans can think about is how the Panthers overpaid for Williams.

You guys can never be happy about anything.

[jtnc]

Question.

If 3 years ago, the Panthers extended Williams contract 4 years, adding $34 million in value to his contract, would you have bitched and moaned then?

Or would you have looked at is as a good move, locking up a quality productive back that gave the Panthers one of the best rushing attacks they've ever had?

He was worth the money back then, and would have got it, if it weren't for the unsettled future of the CBA. The Panthers held off extending their core guys, wanting to know what the new CBA would be like.

Now all fans can think about is how the Panthers overpaid for Williams.

You guys can never be happy about anything.

Three years ago dwill was 26 he is now 28 going on 29. Many backs are not very productive after 30.

[pantherclaw]

Three years ago dwill was 26 he is now 28 going on 29. Many backs are not very productive after 30.

Didn't answer my question.

And typical answer.

The Panthers reward their own.

That's what so many of you just don't get.

The contract that Williams got, he earned. A lot of it was for him out performing his old contract, and the Panthers waiting for the CBA to be settled before rewarding him.

So now, you can only see them offering and old back lots of money.

Jaded.

[SmootsDaddy89]

Question.

If 3 years ago, the Panthers extended Williams contract 4 years, adding $34 million in value to his contract, would you have bitched and moaned then?

Or would you have looked at is as a good move, locking up a quality productive back that gave the Panthers one of the best rushing attacks they've ever had?

He was worth the money back then, and would have got it, if it weren't for the unsettled future of the CBA. The Panthers held off extending their core guys, wanting to know what the new CBA would be like.

Now all fans can think about is how the Panthers overpaid for Williams.

You guys can never be happy about anything.

Answer me this Pantherclaw, if my uncle had two dicks, would he still be my uncle?

[jtnc]

Panthers sure did award Will Witherspoon.

[jtnc]

Where was the loyalty for Kasay? Panthers didn't even give him a heads up he was gonna be released. Pretty shitty to do a player that's been there for you consistently.

[panthers55]

This is not specific to Williams but the Panthers in general. Bitching about how much we spend on a player saying we could have used it sign a high priced veteran is just plain stupid. Anyone who sees what we are doing or knows our philosophy also knows that we are only going to spend it on our core players who we like after we draft them and decide they are worth keeping. If we didn't pay Johnson or Beason or Williams we would not have spent it on bringing in free agents. When Stewart's contract is up we absolutely will pay him and we will have the money to sign him. What player in the last few years that we really wanted to keep who also wanted to be here have we failed to pay money to retain???

We may overpay for a player and might do it again but it doesn't keep us from signing our own and we wouldn't spend it on someone else. So this whole idea that if we didn't sign this player or that player, then we would have millions to sign someone else is counter to everything the FO is saying and doing. When we signed players last year we paid close to 100 million in signing bonuses as well as close to 85 million in salary. They fit it into a salary cap of 120 million but spend well over that in actual dollars. And they will do it again next year and thereafter. Hurney knows who is coming up for contracts and has an idea when he signs folks this year where he is going with it next year and the year after. People who think that he made contracts last year without knowing what is going to happen in 2012 and 2013 are deluded. He doesn't operate on a 1 year cycle but on a 3-4 year plan. Sure you can't know how players will do from year or year and you have to be flexible as you go, but they make contingencies for everything.

You would think will all the whining that it was your money. If Richardson is fine with it then why complain. Again if you think that money spent on our core players would have been used to bring in high priced free agents, you just aren't paying attention at all. What high priced vet have we brought in since 2006??? The answer is none. And it is going to stay that way. We are looking long term not for a quick fix. If it takes 2 years to fix this team and make it competitive then that is what we will do. When Richardson gutted the team in 2010 it was to pursue a different course for better or worse. There is no magic or quick fix. As others have said if you can't wait around until we build through the draft judiciously adding vets who are good values and affordable, then hop off the bandwagon. That is the way this train is going to roll.

[Panthro]

Question.

If 3 years ago, the Panthers extended Williams contract 4 years, adding $34 million in value to his contract, would you have bitched and moaned then?

Or would you have looked at is as a good move, locking up a quality productive back that gave the Panthers one of the best rushing attacks they've ever had?

He was worth the money back then, and would have got it, if it weren't for the unsettled future of the CBA. The Panthers held off extending their core guys, wanting to know what the new CBA would be like.

Now all fans can think about is how the Panthers overpaid for Williams.

You guys can never be happy about anything.

WTF is this???

No. Even in Spanish I say No.

So we held off bc of the CBA then overpay him 3 years later?

[panthers55]

Where was the loyalty for Kasay? Panthers didn't even give him a heads up he was gonna be released. Pretty pooty to do a player that's been there for you consistently.

That was likely a mistake but it happens. The problem with loyalty is that Rivera isn't loyal to any of these players being a new coach. And he is the one likely calling the personnel shots. Hurney signs them and manages the money but Rivera likely picks who he wants. We let Baker and Wharton go as well.

[Panthro]

You would think will all the whining that it was your money. If Richardson is fine with it then why complain. Again if you think that money spent on our core players would have been used to bring in high priced free agents, you just aren't paying attention at all. What high priced vet have we brought in since 2006??? The answer is none. And it is going to stay that way. We are looking long term not for a quick fix. If it takes 2 years to fix this team and make it competitive then that is what we will do. When Richardson gutted the team in 2010 it was to pursue a different course for better or worse. There is no magic or quick fix. As others have said if you can't wait around until we build through the draft judiciously adding vets who are good values and affordable, then hop off the bandwagon. That is the way this train is going to roll.

It is. No fans no money.

[SmootsDaddy89]

It's only stupid when you pay OTHER team's FAs retardedly huge contracts. When you do it with your own players, it's smart. See Jake Delhomme extension in 2009.

[jtnc]

That was likely a mistake but it happens. The problem with loyalty is that Rivera isn't loyal to any of these players being a new coach. And he is the one likely calling the personnel shots. Hurney signs them and manages the money but Rivera likely picks who he wants. We let Baker and Wharton go as well.

No one is talking about coach-player loyalty, we're talking about Richardson-player loyalty. Plus you're wrong, Hurney has the final say on who gets cut or released. Hurney's final decision.

[stirs]

This is not specific to Williams but the Panthers in general. Bitching about how much we spend on a player saying we could have used it sign a high priced veteran is just plain stupid. Anyone who sees what we are doing or knows our philosophy also knows that we are only going to spend it on our core players who we like after we draft them and decide they are worth keeping. If we didn't pay Johnson or Beason or Williams we would not have spent it on bringing in free agents. When Stewart's contract is up we absolutely will pay him and we will have the money to sign him. What player in the last few years that we really wanted to keep who also wanted to be here have we failed to pay money to retain???

We may overpay for a player and might do it again but it doesn't keep us from signing our own and we wouldn't spend it on someone else. So this whole idea that if we didn't sign this player or that player, then we would have millions to sign someone else is counter to everything the FO is saying and doing. When we signed players last year we paid close to 100 million in signing bonuses as well as close to 85 million in salary. They fit it into a salary cap of 120 million but spend well over that in actual dollars. And they will do it again next year and thereafter. Hurney knows who is coming up for contracts and has an idea when he signs folks this year where he is going with it next year and the year after. People who think that he made contracts last year without knowing what is going to happen in 2012 and 2013 are deluded. He doesn't operate on a 1 year cycle but on a 3-4 year plan. Sure you can't know how players will do from year or year and you have to be flexible as you go, but they make contingencies for everything.

You would think will all the whining that it was your money. If Richardson is fine with it then why complain. Again if you think that money spent on our core players would have been used to bring in high priced free agents, you just aren't paying attention at all. What high priced vet have we brought in since 2006??? The answer is none. And it is going to stay that way. We are looking long term not for a quick fix. If it takes 2 years to fix this team and make it competitive then that is what we will do. When Richardson gutted the team in 2010 it was to pursue a different course for better or worse. There is no magic or quick fix. As others have said if you can't wait around until we build through the draft judiciously adding vets who are good values and affordable, then hop off the bandwagon. That is the way this train is going to roll.

We will just magically "find" the money to resign Stewart. Man, if only the other teams had our magic and could just "find" money when their guys get ready to leave. We got a good thing going, just hope the league does not investigate our unfair advantage.

[frash.exe]

I posted this in another thread but I will say it again.

The Panthers reward players who have performed well for them in the past. They do not hire big name FA's who have no team loyalty and are selling there services to the highest bidder.

I love this about our front office. If you have serious problems with this, maybe you are following the wrong team and would be happier cheering for the Redskins or Eagles.

this is a terrible argument and nowhere near justifies the investment on a guy who barely averaged 10 touches per game last season and finished the two before it on IR.

DeAngelo is getting paid top money for running backs and all it took for him to earn it was one season where he played like a top running back. 2nd of all, this perception that this "rewarding players who performed well for you in the past" formula as a good way to build your team is false, especially when there's literally holes almost everywhere you look on the defense because you're paying a guy top money to contribute to a running game by committee style ground attack.

The Giants aren't paying "core" player Brandon Jacobs because any front office that's smart doesn't pay running backs anymore, and you can sit there and put on the rose colored sunglasses all you want, paint a nice Bob Ross style picture, but it's not going to make us win more than they are because they know which positions to invest the money in and the Panthers' leadership still hasn't figured it out yet.