More dwill contract rant

[CRA]

The running game accounted for 1/3 of our offensive yards and 2/3rds of our points at a cost of roughly 14 million which is about 1/8th of the cap. The money on offense last year was spent on the O-linemen which accounted for over 25 million and would be there if we passed or ran. We spent close to the same on the defense as we did the offense so the fact they struggled was not because there was no money spent on that side of the ball.

it was b/c there was no talent on that side of the ball

[CRA]

We can keep both backs. Wiliams cap hit will be 7.8 million next year. If Stewart gets a back loaded contract with a big option in year 2 or 3, he might cost us perhaps 4 million in cap in 2013. Newton will be 6.3 million for a total of 18 million. Not cheap but not a back breaker. Some teams re paying close to that for their quarterback alone.

not about "can we" do it....it is about why would we do something so dumb.

10 years ago.....yeah. League has changed. Makes no sense to put a lot of talent in the backfield in today's NFL. Stewart is MORE than enough talent if complimented w/ a cheap RB who fits the scheme.

More important to spend and INVEST in passing and stopping the pass. We don't need Williams. We need to improve the rest of our team. Having absurd depth is AWESOME....RB is the not the place we want it.

[panthers55]

What % did Dwill account for?

Now remove Cam from that running game...you love stats but only when they suit your argument

Stats are only numbers it is how you interpret them.

Williams accounted for 8.2 million of the cap or roughly 1/8 of the offensive cap. His 995 yards accounted for roughly 1/6 of the total yards and 1/9th of the points.

Without doing the numbers Stewart was a bigger bargain and Newton an even bigger bargain. I don't think that means that Williams was overpaid for his production or that Stewart will be when he gets his big payday and Newton breaks the bank. If this is a discussion about value then Newton wins hands down and Stewart comes in second. Was that even a question??

[panthers55]

not about "can we" do it....it is about why would we do something so dumb.

10 years ago.....yeah. League has changed. Makes no sense to put a lot of talent in the backfield in today's NFL. Stewart is MORE than enough talent if complimented w/ a cheap RB who fits the scheme.

More important to spend and INVEST in passing and stopping the pass. We don't need Williams. We need to improve the rest of our team. Having absurd depth is AWESOME....RB is the not the place we want it.

I don't agree at all. Teams that are one dimensional that don't have a guy named Manning, Rodgers or Brady at quarterback struggle. Even teams like New Orleans usually have a top 10 rushing attack to complement the passing attack. When you have an option oriented attack as we have, not having a running game is absurb. When we move to a WCO then you might have a point. Look at the Giants this year. Did they spend more on offense or defense in 2011? From my cursory look it was offense. Spending doesn't always equate to success. Look how much we spent on defense last year for crappy results. Almost as much as we spent on offense.

[panthers55]

it was b/c there was no talent on that side of the ball

SIlly me, I thought it was all the guys on IR.

[CRA]

I don't agree at all. Teams that are one dimensional that don't have a guy named Manning, Rodgers or Brady at quarterback struggle. Even teams like New Orleans usually have a top 10 rushing attack to complement the passing attack. When you have an option orinted attack as we have, not having a running game is absurb. When we move to a WCO then you might have a point. Look at the Giants this year. Did they spend more on offense or defense in 2011? From my cursory look it was offense. Spending doesn't always equate to success. Look how much we spent on defense last year for crappy results. Almost as much as we spent on offense.

you don't agree it is more important to focus on passing/stopping the pass in a passing league.....than building a backfield?

You don't need to overspend/invest in a backfield to be balanced. B/c of the rule changes, the pass sets up the run now.

Giants? Giants have focused on passing/stopping the pass recently. They just won a Superbowl with a decent RB running on a broken foot and that basketcase Jacobs.

if you are spending money on 2 first round draft picks at RB.....then you are easily going to be talking about a team with lots of glaring holes at more important positions in today's NFL.

[Panthro]

Stats are only numbers it is how you interpret them.

Williams accounted for 8.2 million of the cap or roughly 1/8 of the offensive cap. His 995 yards accounted for roughly 1/6 of the total yards and 1/9th of the points.

Without doing the numbers Stewart was a bigger bargain and Newton an even bigger bargain. I don't think that means that Williams was overpaid for his production or that Stewart will be when he gets his big payday and Newton breaks the bank. If this is a discussion about value then Newton wins hands down and Stewart comes in second. Was that even a question??

Or he was 35% of the rushing attack but accounted for 60% of the salary invested in rushers.

[CRA]

SIlly me, I thought it was all the guys on IR.

I'll give you Beason. That's it. Thomas Davis can't be included at this point any talks about being hurt by injury....he is done.

We were weak at both saftey positions, weak at #2 CB, and have a weak DL. IR had nothing to do with being weak at those spots.

[panthers55]

In 2012 Deangelo will have the 5th Highest Salary of any RB in the league. He accounted for 35% of our Rushing Yards and 25% of our Rushing TD's in 2011

Cap hit or salary? His 5.25 milion base salary is not top 5 this year but his average per carry last year was among running backs with 100 attempts. Again quantity stats are not nearly as important as quality stats. If a guy run the ball 300 times for 4 yard a carry his quantity stats look better than a guy who runs the ball 150 times for 6 yards a carry. BUt who is the better back???

For the record, he is actually 7th assuming that no one else makes more in free agency. Two backs are tied for 1st and 2 are tied for second making it appear he is fifth. An easy mistake to make........

http://www.spotrac.com/top-salaries/nfl/running-back/

[panthers55]

I'll give you Beason. That's it. Thomas Davis can't be included at this point any talks about being hurt by injury....he is done.

We were weak at both saftey positions, weak at #2 CB, and have a weak DL. IR had nothing to do with being weak at those spots.

Hurney fixed the offense last year and will fix the defense this year. Add a full offseason to learn the scheme and we will be much better. The injuries not only hurt the starters but we rarely had the same personnel on the field for long stretches at a time.

[Panthro]

Cap hit or salary? His 5.25 milion base salary is not top 5 this year but his average per carry last year was among running backs with 100 attempts. Again quantity stats are not nearly as important as quality stats. If a guy run the ball 300 times for 4 yard a carry his quantity stats look better than a guy who runs the ball 150 times for 6 yards a carry. BUt who is the better back???

For the record, he is actually 7th assuming that no one else makes more in free agency. Two backs are tied for 1st and 2 are tied for second making it appear he is fifth. An easy mistake to make........

http://www.spotrac.com/top-salaries/nfl/running-back/

So we don't care about sacks as long as they are quality sacks? It's all about quantity and quality.

[CRA]

Hurney fixed the offense last year and will fix the defense this year. Add a full offseason to learn the scheme and we will be much better. The injuries not only hurt the starters but we rarely had the same personnel on the field for long stretches at a time.

again, i don't buy Hurney fixed the offense. Chud/Cam fixed it.

[Panthro]

Vincent Jackson averages 17 yards per carry.....QUALITY!!!!

[Stroupe-a-loop]

again, i don't buy Hurney fixed the offense. Chud/Cam fixed it. Overall, it was the same team as 2010 with those 2 exceptions. Both of those were Rivera moves as well.

Haha. Jesus you guys hate hurney.