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Give me 10 current QB's

stevesmith3428

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MMH - Well better your trying to clearly state your point of view and not ramble on like ole Stevey boy there... Gonzo seemed like he was Manning's goto target in the pro bowl. Ward was just constantly gone down the field versus the Panthers, seemed like they didn't put a hand on him until he already had 15 yards each touch.

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MMH - Well better your trying to clearly state your point of view and not ramble on like ole Stevey boy there... Gonzo seemed like he was Manning's goto target in the pro bowl. Ward was just constantly gone down the field versus the Panthers, seemed like they didn't put a hand on him until he already had 15 yards each touch.

Gonzo was his target, but I don't think Beason started playing OLB until the second half. They had him and Willis in there at the same time (because thats a kick ass combination), and Beason was covering Gonzo for most of the rest of the time he was in there, and he kept him from catching anything IIRC.

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We were 12-4 last year. How does that NOT make Jake a top 10 OB at this time? Please don't tell me QB ratings, that is a flawed, stupid assessment for a QB. As of the start of the 2008 season, Jake was the 17th GREATEST QB EVER per the QB rating system. I DO NOT agree with THAT assessment, but my point is how flawed the overall rating system is! The Pro Football Hall of Fame site below spells that out...

http://www.profootballhof.com/history/story.jsp?story_id=2658

Anyone who goes to that site will notice, if they're observant enough, the absence of QBs who actually WON world championships like Otto Graham, Bart Starr, Terry Bradshaw, Roger Staubach, John Elway, Bob Griese, and the most egregious omission of all, Johnny U! Not to mention Sid Luckman, Norm Van Brocklin, and Sammy Baugh (yes, some of them performed BEFORE there was a Super Bowl, but it was THE world championshp none the less!). You don't go 12-4 without having a decent QB! He might not be THE best, but he's a good fit here. My knock continues to be his lack of improvement as far as his mechanics go, as successful as his overall starting record is, I believe it would be MUCH better if he executed play fakes and pump fakes more effectively, not to mention if the team introduced an element of 'razzle dazzle' and surprise to the offense. As predictable as we were last year, we went 12-4. I'm not Jake's biggest fan, but I will not denigrate him either. I certainly believe he is among the top 10 QBs in the league at this time..

My list starts at:

Manning

Brady

Roethlisberger

E. Manning

Brees

Jake

Warner

Rivers

Hassleback

McNabb

In that order...

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We were 12-4 last year. How does that NOT make Jake a top 10 OB at this time? Please don't tell me QB ratings, that is a flawed, stupid assessment for a QB. As of the start of the 2008 season, Jake was the 17th GREATEST QB EVER per the QB rating system. I DO NOT agree with THAT assessment, but my point is how flawed the overall rating system is! The Pro Football Hall of Fame site below spells that out...

http://www.profootballhof.com/history/story.jsp?story_id=2658

Anyone who goes to that site will notice, if they're observant enough, the absence of QBs who actually WON world championships like Otto Graham, Bart Starr, Terry Bradshaw, Roger Staubach, John Elway, Bob Griese, and the most egregious omission of all, Johnny U! Not to mention Sid Luckman, Norm Van Brocklin, and Sammy Baugh (yes, some of them performed BEFORE there was a Super Bowl, but it was THE world championshp none the less!). You don't go 12-4 without having a decent QB! He might not be THE best, but he's a good fit here. My knock continues to be his lack of improvement as far as his mechanics go, as successful as his overall starting record is, I believe it would be MUCH better if he executed play fakes and pump fakes more effectively, not to mention if the team introduced an element of 'razzle dazzle' and surprise to the offense. As predictable as we were last year, we went 12-4. I'm not Jake's biggest fan, but I will not denigrate him either. I certainly believe he is among the top 10 QBs in the league at this time..

My list starts at:

Manning

Brady

Roethlisberger

E. Manning

Brees

Jake

Warner

Rivers

Hassleback

McNabb

In that order...

Jake ahead of Warner, Rivers, and McNabb. Haha. You could MAYBE make an argument around Hass, but he's better too. Eli Manning isn't all that either. Palmer should be in there.

Jake's not top 10.

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We were 12-4 last year. How does that NOT make Jake a top 10 OB at this time?

How bout finishing the year with more INTs than TDs and having the 2 worst games of your career in the same season with one of those teams the second to worst team in the league and the other during the worst possible time you can choose to have the worst game of your career!

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X-Clown Mentor

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More like...

Brees

Rivers

Manning

Brady (Slipped some cuz of the injury)

Big Ben

McNabb

Warner

Cutler

Rodgers

Palmer

^ Thats from a talent perspective.

Brees better than Brady? How did you manage to find time from your busy posting schedule to evaluate Tom Brady's knee injury and how it's going to effect him this season??

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