Give me 10 current QB's

[Lone Buc Fan]

I could continue with the list of guys who are better then Jake... Garcia is better and he's a 2nd stringer now... So, I won't go there.

[guyinchesapeake]

From Killercat:

"How bout finishing the year with more INTs than TDs and having the 2 worst games of your career in the same season with one of those teams the second to worst team in the league and the other during the worst possible time you can choose to have the worst game of your career!"

I don't dispute any of that, but an NFL season is a marathon, not a sprint, and over 16 regular season games, we were one of the leagues elites! No one has ragged on Jake more than me, especially for the Cards playoff game, but considering we had average special teams at best (they out-and-out sucked early in the season, with 3 blocked punts against us), a defense that was anything but in the second half (routinely giving up on the order of 30 points per game, and we still won most of those!), and a predictable, no imagination offense, we did quite well, and you don't do that without a decent QB at the helm.

From X-clown:

"Even the biggest Jake apologist (supposedly me) can't begin to say he's in Rivers class. Or McNabb. Or Warner."

I look at the overall records. Stats don't always sum up a QB's or any player's overall performance or 'value' to a team. We had a better (regular) season than the Eagles, Cards, or Chargers. That's no fluke. Is there room for improvement? Sure. I am all over these boards espousing a true QB competition during training camp this year, if nothing else, to send a message to Jake that he can be replaced. But based on last year, and his overall starting record, I stand by my assertion that Jake is indeed a top 10 QB in the league at this time. Of McNabb, Warner, or Rivers, the only one I'd take is Rivers, because of his age, as far as replacing Jake if that were possible. I didn't have Matt Ryan on my list simply because he was a rookie last year, but I thought about including him long and hard...

[Lone Buc Fan]

You can't just go based off previous experience. Brees right now is the better QB then Brady. Brady might have had a better suppourting cast but Brees is definatley better at the moment as is Rivers and Manning. Brady has to earn his stripes back if he wants to be the top dog again.

[frash.exe]

I look at the overall records. Stats don't always sum up a QB's or any player's overall performance or 'value' to a team. We had a better (regular) season than the Eagles, Cards, or Chargers. That's no fluke. Is there room for improvement? Sure. I am all over these boards espousing a true QB competition during training camp this year, if nothing else, to send a message to Jake that he can be replaced. But based on last year, and his overall starting record, I stand by my assertion that Jake is indeed a top 10 QB in the league at this time. Of McNabb, Warner, or Rivers, the only one I'd take is Rivers, because of his age, as far as replacing Jake if that were possible. I didn't have Matt Ryan on my list simply because he was a rookie last year, but I thought about including him long and hard...

...yet they all went deeper into the playoffs than we did. The regular season record isn't the be all, end all.

[Nu Guns]

Rex Grossman is a prefect example of stats not adding up.

He sucked and they made it to a superbowl. In NO WAY did he have anything to do with that. I also heard we were looking at him ...if we sign him I will have a bigger man crush on Jake then all of you

[KillerKat]

I don't dispute any of that, but an NFL season is a marathon, not a sprint, and over 16 regular season games, we were one of the leagues elites!

And half of the season Jake played badly. The rest were average and there were only a couple games where his performance was good.

[Squirrel]

Rex Grossman is a prefect example of stats not adding up.

He sucked and they made it to a superbowl. In NO WAY did he have anything to do with that. I also heard we were looking at him ...if we sign him I will have a bigger man crush on Jake then all of you

Dont say that to loud the FO my get ideas.

[Lone Buc Fan]

Yea putting winning and losing on the QB's shoulder alone is stupid logic. Now in the playoffs, thats a different situation. How horrible Jake played at times, he didn't deserve to get the credit for some of those wins. The Raiders game sticks out like a sore thumb to me...

[X-Clown]

I look at the overall records. Stats don't always sum up a QB's or any player's overall performance or 'value' to a team. We had a better (regular) season than the Eagles, Cards, or Chargers. That's no fluke. Is there room for improvement? Sure. I am all over these boards espousing a true QB competition during training camp this year, if nothing else, to send a message to Jake that he can be replaced. But based on last year, and his overall starting record, I stand by my assertion that Jake is indeed a top 10 QB in the league at this time. Of McNabb, Warner, or Rivers, the only one I'd take is Rivers, because of his age, as far as replacing Jake if that were possible. I didn't have Matt Ryan on my list simply because he was a rookie last year, but I thought about including him long and hard...

Rivers to me is the 3rd best quarterback in the game today (assuming Brady comes back from his injury and is at least 90%). That SD team's defense was awful and LT clearly wasn't the LT of old. Gates was playing on a bad toe for most of the year, and his starting receivers weren't anything to write home about. To me, that argument is not even close.

[guyinchesapeake]

"And half of the season Jake played badly. The rest were average and there were only a couple games where his performance was good."

And we were 12-4! What record do you expect we would have had, if we were able to put in a new QB, even if he were one of the league elites? Based on league history, I say not as well. Jake knows are people, and the system. We had NO defense in the second half last year, but still won 4 of our last 5 while giving up 30 plus points in 3 of those games! Yes, Jake more than sucked in the playoff loss, but I don't think it was Jake's decision to abandon the run when we were down only 14-7! Drew Brees passed for how many yards last year, and what was his team's record? Again, stats aren't everything. Jake was a top 10 QB for the 2008 season. The team record proves that!

[KillerKat]

"And half of the season Jake played badly. The rest were average and there were only a couple games where his performance was good."

And we were 12-4! What record do you expect we would have had, if we were able to put in a new QB, even if he were one of the league elites? Based on league history, I say not as well. Jake knows are people, and the system. We had NO defense in the second half last year, but still won 4 of our last 5 while giving up 30 plus points in 3 of those games! Yes, Jake more than sucked in the playoff loss, but I don't think it was Jake's decision to abandon the run when we were down only 14-7! Drew brees passed for how many yards last year, and what was his team's record? Again, stats aren't everything. Jake was a top 10 QB for the 2008 season. The team record proves that!

No, our RB tandem was the best in the league. That had ALOT to do with why we were 12-4. If we had someone better at QB, we might not have been embarassed on our home turf by a QB that decides to have the worst game of his career. Jake being considered top 10 after throwing 17 INTs and 16 TDs for the whole year is laughable at the very least.

[guyinchesapeake]

"If we had someone better at QB, we might not have been embarassed on our home turf by a QB that decides to have the worst game of his career."

Yeah killercat, we MIGHT not have been, but maybe we would have. We don't know! Oh, and yes, he DECIDED to have the worst night of his life. Real insightful there. No one argues the value our running game brought, and no one argues that, based on how the playoff game turned out, it was all wasted. But Jake managed all that, as far as utilizing the running game during the season! I ask one and all, is there any evidence it was Jake who abandoned the running game in the Cards game? If that answer is yes, I may reassess. But until that is shown, I stand by my evaluation of him.

Regardless though, Jake led the team to a 12-4 record. That is no accident. You want to dismiss that, that is your perogative. The running game doesn't work without a credible passing threat, and vice versa. You want to be hung up on stats, again, that's your perogative, but with those oh-so bad stats, we were 12-4. That fact doesn't go away. Belittle that all you want, but it's a fact.

[Nu Guns]

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"Regardless though, Jake led the team to a 12-4 record. That is no accident."

Grossman lead his team to superbowl and that was an accident

[AKPantherFan]

Delhomme 8-2 vs the Bucs.

Go away

dont forget that Jake has never lost to the Saints in their house.....

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