Who is the BPA at #9

[CRA]

3 in the 2nd and 2 in the 3rd. that is still drafting at the top of drafts.

And going back to the best Ds in the league....no matter what you say about the DLs the talent at LB is still there. DLs ain't making Willis, Lewis, Urlacher, Matthews etcs careers.

[DaCityKats]

Looking at the 3-4, if dominant means big guys who take on 2 blocks then I would agree. But with the exception of Ngata,most of the guys are good but not dominant. Baltimore and Pittsburgh and Green Bay all rely on their linebackers to control the action. Chicago as a 4-3 team relied on their linebackers for years before getting Peppers. Even now, with average linebackers they would have a poor defense.

well the example of those teams are bad because we are talking of 2 different schemes. So looking at the Bears defense one seems to forget that they had a pretty decent 4 upfront while those LBs got a lot of credit. Alex Brown, Tank Johnson, Tommie Harris, and Adewale Ogunleye in their prime were beating teams OLs up.so before Pep got their at one point they did have a good DL.

[DaCityKats]

3 in the 2nd and 2 in the 3rd. that is still drafting at the top of drafts.

And going back to the best Ds in the league....no matter what you say about the DLs the talent at LB is still there. DLs ain't making Willis, Lewis, Urlacher, Matthews etcs careers.

and as i said numerous times i see no problem going with LB in the 2nd round because i feel it will have the better value there. Brown, Hightower, Kendricks, Wagner could be had in the 2nd round.

[panthers55]

well the example of those teams are bad because we are talking of 2 different schemes. So looking at the Bears defense one seems to forget that they had a pretty decent 4 upfront while those LBs got a lot of credit. Alex Brown, Tank Johnson, Tommie Harris, and Adewale Ogunleye in their prime were beating teams OLs up.so before Pep got their at one point they did have a good DL.

I talked about both schemes. But you have to understand that Jim Johnson's 4-3 is all about the scheme. It requires everyone to do their job on every play. Sure you need good linemen but with Hardy, Johnson and Edwards we have good ones. I also think that Shirley is pretty solid. He had 2 1/2 sacks in only 4 games. If Beason and Davis were both 100 percent and not coming off of major injuries, I would be the first one on the DT bandwagon and said so early on. But I am very concerned that either Beason or Davis, perhaps both, will struggle this year. I don't think I can deal with another year like last year. As bad as our D line was, the linebacking was much worse.

As for the Bear's line, the only one of the guys you mentioned who went to a pro-bowl while at Chicago was Tommy Harris. In fact, Urlacher has more all pro nominations that all the linemen combined. Tell me again who is more dominant in their defense...............

[panthers55]

and as i said numerous times i see no problem going with LB in the 2nd round because i feel it will have the better value there. Brown, Hightower, Kendricks, Wagner could be had in the 2nd round.

That is crazy. Kuechly is head and shoulders above any other linebacker in the draft. We are talking about a guy who has produced better numbers in his first 3 years than anyone in college history. And you are saying that one round lower guys are better values???? None of those guys are as versatile or half as productive as Kuechly was. The truth is that there are a bunch more DEs and DTs who could be had in the second round with similar talent to the first rounders than there are linebackers close to Kuechly.

[DaCityKats]

I talked about both schemes. But you have to understand that Jim Johnson's 4-3 is all about the scheme. It requires everyone to do their job on every play. Sure you need good linemen but with Hardy, Johnson and Edwards we have good ones. I also think that Shirley is pretty solid. He had 2 1/2 sacks in only 4 games. If Beason and Davis were both 100 percent and not coming off of major injuries, I would be the first one on the DT bandwagon and said so early on. But I am very concerned that either Beason or Davis, perhaps both, will struggle this year. I don't think I can deal with another year like last year. As bad as our D line was, the linebacking was much worse.

As for the Bear's line, the only one of the guys you mentioned who went to a pro-bowl while at Chicago was Tommy Harris. In fact, Urlacher has more all pro nominations that all the linemen combined. Tell me again who is more dominant in their defense...............

im on the best DL wagon, not DT. if it is a DE than take him. 2006 the bears had 1 LB with a sack while most of their pressure and sacks came from upfront.LBs are supposed to make a lot of tackles but when you have a combined 36 sacks from guys upfront how can you say that they were not dominate? to even compare the bears defense to what we have now is a bad comparison, since they ran more of a tampa 2 version of a 4-3. and since when is the pro bowl a good indication of how good a player is? That non-dominate DL freed up the LBs to do their job and do it well. but it started upfront with the DL.

[DaCityKats]

That is crazy. Kuechly is head and shoulders above any other linebacker in the draft. We are talking about a guy who has produced better numbers in his first 3 years than anyone in college history. And you are saying that one round lower guys are better values???? None of those guys are as versatile or half as productive as Kuechly was. The truth is that there are a bunch more DEs and DTs who could be had in the second round with similar talent to the first rounders than there are linebackers close to Kuechly.

not head and shoulders above any other LB prospect. those guys i listed are just as versatile and have proved it by rushing and playing in coverage while your boy has not. even if he was asked to stay in coverage, one would think that if he was decent at rushing the passer than he would have while at BC. even Willis didnt go top 10.

[panthers55]

not head and shoulders above any other LB prospect. those guys i listed are just as versatile and have proved it by rushing and playing in coverage while your boy has not. even if he was asked to stay in coverage, one would think that if he was decent at rushing the passer than he would have while at BC. even Willis didnt go top 10.

You obviously haven't seen him him play. His 17 pass breakups and 7 Ints (2 for pick sixes) demonstrate his ability to cover. The reality is that with him being the best player for BC teams game planned for him and ran and passed away from him and he still lead the country in tackles. The only reason he didn't rush the passer is because you don't waste your best cover linebacker and your best tackler rushing the passer. Willis went 11 and we are picking at 9, what a lame argument. You are really stretching now.

[panthers55]

im on the best DL wagon, not DT. if it is a DE than take him. 2006 the bears had 1 LB with a sack while most of their pressure and sacks came from upfront.LBs are supposed to make a lot of tackles but when you have a combined 36 sacks from guys upfront how can you say that they were not dominate? to even compare the bears defense to what we have now is a bad comparison, since they ran more of a tampa 2 version of a 4-3. and since when is the pro bowl a good indication of how good a player is? That non-dominate DL freed up the LBs to do their job and do it well. but it started upfront with the DL.

So that was 2006. How about the other 5 years since then?? I don't know what the numbers are but lets not cherry pick. But you are right our scheme is different making it is more linebacker dependent compared to Chicago meaning it is more of a priority for us. You don't need dominant linemen in the Johnson 4-3 you need a great pass rush. Linebackers are important to that as well. You need good edge rushers and a good nose tackle which we have.

[I am Hubby]

Okay, how's this.

1st Round

Trade Stew to Cleveland. Take Claiborne

Draft Poe.

2nd Round

Best CB available

Rounds 4-7

LBs

The D is better. But the Offense sucks. Because we cannot run the ball. Teams stack the box, blitz, cheat, scratch and drive Cam batty in all sorts of nasty and mean ways. We finish 4-12 and get the #4 pick. We then draft the best RB in the draft and win the Super Bowl.

All because we traded Stew.

Or, draft well. Get a few key players back. Grab a couple more FAs and sniff the playoffs. Daft well next year, and add one or two good FAs and then win Super Bowl.

Either way I'm good. And GOOOOO CATS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[carolinanimal]

Who were the lbs on the giants?

[carolinanimal]

i really think we should trade down. This team needs a huge influx of talent on the defensive side of the ball. pick up 2 lbs, a de and a corner.

[CRA]

Who were the lbs on the giants?

Giants also run a different scheme. Giants also have focused on their passing attack and stopping the pass. JJ 4-3 relies on LBs to provide pressure....NYGs doesn't

[DaCityKats]

You obviously haven't seen him him play. His 17 pass breakups and 7 Ints (2 for pick sixes) demonstrate his ability to cover. The reality is that with him being the best player for BC teams game planned for him and ran and passed away from him and he still lead the country in tackles. The only reason he didn't rush the passer is because you don't waste your best cover linebacker and your best tackler rushing the passer. Willis went 11 and we are picking at 9, what a lame argument. You are really stretching now.

no i have seen him play. teams may have game planned for him, but that sure didnt stop them from attacking him or his zone. no way possible that a team can run away from a MLB he will be in the middle of the freaking field. if your best cover LB is a decent rusher than you will see him doing both like Brown at UNC, Kendricks at Cal, and Hightower at Bama. Brown was the best coverage backer but yet seemed to blitz some. Hightower might not be better in coverage but what he brings on 3rd downs is pass rushing abilities. each LB have also played different LB spots like Luke, and all have experince in a 3-4 scheme or set.(yes i know UNC runs a 4-3, but have line up in a 3-4 look with Brown playing a rush OLB)