I dont see the Hurney magic

[Actionman0z]

If we have to draft at DT after drafting 2 in the 3rd and bringing in Ron Edwards causes me to question his judgement.

Sample size is too small to say these guys are failures, especially at that position. That being said, produce or sit the f down... they need to be big time this year.. (Not saying thats what you are doing at all, just saying).

I like our plan, building through the draft, but like it has been said before, FA takes away a lot of what people try and establish, especially when teams overpay for decent quality players because they are the market, and those teams have the money. It drives the price of others up, which allows for less error by office staffs. Locking guys up long term is the answer, and I think we have a good thing going. From 2-14 to 6-10... 18 guys on IR, a makeshift Defense, league lead in explosive plays, touchdown drives of 80+, and a lead in 13-16 games.... on the right track. Finding that quality guy who has not had a shot or has been overshadowed by someone else is critical for our success, its just not flashy or sexy when other teams are blasting loads of money at players.

[bleys]

If we have to draft at DT after drafting 2 in the 3rd and bringing in Ron Edwards causes me to question his judgement.

the only judgement that needs questioned is someone's conclusion that 2 3rd round DTs are failures when they shouldn't have even started their rookie year..

[panthers55]

Whatever happened to the widely accepted notion that you don't evaluate a draft pick or a draft class for at least 3 years??? Here we are judging our rookie DTs after only 1 year???? Pretty naive IMO.

[panthers55]

If we have to draft at DT after drafting 2 in the 3rd and bringing in Ron Edwards causes me to question his judgement.

Lets see what happens. If you listen to Rivera he thinks what we have is fine. If we go DT this year it will be a guy who can swing outside as well as play inside and get pressure on the QB. More of a hybrid kind of guy who could play DE in a 3-4 or a DT in a 4-3.

[Zithers]

Whatever happened to the widely accepted notion that you don't evaluate a draft pick or a draft class for at least 3 years??? Here we are judging our rookie DTs after only 1 year???? Pretty naive IMO.

you must be upset that we took cam :p

[bleys]

you must be upset that we took cam :p

you know, I thought that's what he was saying too... :coolgleamA:

[panthers55]

you must be upset that we took cam :p

Why because the book hasn't been written on Clausen yet?? They are 2 different issues. Clausen was a 2nd rounder that most folks thought could be a starter but surely wasn't a number 1 pick in the draft and as athletic as Newton.

The same applies to this year. If you thought Poe was the next Kris Jemkins or that Brockers could be a game changing player you might take him even though you weren't closing the book on your two third rounders. Picking someone with great talent in the top 10 of the first round is different than deciding that your third rounders suck after 1 year. Especially if you believe the guy you are picking is one of a kind or brings unique skills to the position.

[CatMan72]

Whatever happened to the widely accepted notion that you don't evaluate a draft pick or a draft class for at least 3 years??? Here we are judging our rookie DTs after only 1 year???? Pretty naive IMO.

Especially when you have 2 rookies playing next to each other... it bends the learning curve even further.

[Actionman0z]

you must be upset that we took cam :p

I think Cam's intangibles speak for themselves, and seeing what Jimmy DID produce in a year, and it was not pretty, it was a no brainer to select Cam. I can understand questioning the logic, but I do not think that argument applies.

[jarhead]

the only judgement that needs questioned is someone's conclusion that 2 3rd round DTs are failures when they shouldn't have even started their rookie year..

I agree and thats my point.Some of these people supporting Hurney and building only through the draft are wanting to draft a DT this year when in fact they need to give these guys a chance.My point is if the panthers feel we need another DT then Hurney did a poor job of picking them last year.

[rodeo]

If I have a choice of following the GB/PIT model or the WASH/PHI model, I'm taking GB/PIT.

That's a false dichotomy. The Panthers have been following the "minimal free agents" model for the better part of a decade, how many Super Bowls have they won?

You have to be GB/PIT first, then you can follow their model. GB's modern legacy was created partially by signing free agents like Reggie White and Charles Woodson to solidify the team while their younger players got better. They didn't take a team completely consisting of draft picks and make them Super Bowl champions.

Same with PIT. Farrior and Harrison and Clark are all free agent signings. You build through the draft, but you solidify through free agency.

[jarhead]

That's a false dichotomy. The Panthers have been following the "minimal free agents" model for the better part of a decade, how many Super Bowls have they won?

You have to be GB/PIT first, then you can follow their model. GB's modern legacy was created partially by signing free agents like Reggie White and Charles Woodson to solidify the team while their younger players got better. They didn't take a team completely consisting of draft picks and make them Super Bowl champions.

Same with PIT. Farrior and Harrison and Clark are all free agent signings. You build through the draft, but you solidify through free agency.

To add to that I see GB and Pitt resigning players for less than market value in hope of winning a SB.We had to argueibly over pay our Fas last year because we were the worst team in the entire league.How can you compare us to GB and Pitt.....maybe in our wildest dreams.

[jarhead]

Outside of Peppers(where money didnt matter to him) how many good players has Hurney let walk?

At the end of the day, our rosters are strong as hell on paper once the season starts and are formed to fit out current Coaches style of play. Injuries seem to hurt us more than Hurney not splurging on players that their previous team did not deem worth keeping at these inflated values.

The pooty teams are throwing the big bucks around. Which playoff team has been a big spender so far? (I know we werent a playoff team but we are closer than any of the big spenders and if healthy we will be in).

Thats because we overpaid them all last year to stick around.To your other point we always look good on paper at the beginning of the year because we are always assuming TDavis and Otah will be healthy..I guess we will once again wait until the 2nd game ......and the ah dam Otah and Davis are injured.....we have such bad luck.We are only closer because we were the worse team in the league which entitled us to draft cam Newton.Should we give Hurney credit for that?

[panthers55]

I agree and thats my point.Some of these people supporting Hurney and building only through the draft are wanting to draft a DT this year when in fact they need to give these guys a chance.My point is if the panthers feel we need another DT then Hurney did a poor job of picking them last year.

If we pick another DT in the 4th round or lower who look similar to McClain or Fua then you would be correct, Hurney is admitting that the 2 third rounders were not very good nor were any of the other guys we brought in. But if we pick up a DT at pick number 9 of the first round and we believe they are a unique talent or bring special athletic skills to the talent that our third rounders don't have, then it has no bearing on last year's choices at all. After all we could have made a great pick in the third round last year and still find better talent when you are picking arguable the best player in the draft at that position in the top 10 of the first round. Particularly if you get a guy like Brockers or Poe who are versatile enough to play any position on the defensive line. I don't know we will go that direction but time will tell.