I dont see the Hurney magic

[Frizzy350]

I'd say Peppers had to be a contract dispute situation.

considering we had offered him as much/more than the bears did, not really. it obviously wasn't the money.

also he never felt the need to create a media stink about his situation.

[R0CKnR0LLA]

hard to get into contract disputes when we're offering guys $20 million more than what anyone else in the NFL is willing to.

now, when's the last time we got an established quality FA for less than his market value? has that ever happened? lol

edit: oh yeah then there's that whole peppers deal lol and no we didnt offer him more than what he eventually got from chicago

[bleys]

hard to get into contract disputes when we're offering guys $20 million more than what anyone else in the NFL is willing to.

now, when's the last time we got an established quality FA for less than his market value? has that ever happened? lol

edit: oh yeah then there's that whole peppers deal lol and no we didnt offer him more than what he eventually got from chicago

you have to become a consistent winning franchise for that to become a relevant point..

[Frizzy350]

hard to get into contract disputes when we're offering guys $20 million more than what anyone else in the NFL is willing to.

now, when's the last time we got an established quality FA for less than his market value? has that ever happened? lol

edit: oh yeah then there's that whole peppers deal lol and no we didnt offer him more than what he eventually got from chicago

who were we offering 20 million more than anyone in the NFL was willing to? u don't think CJ would have gotten that money from other teams? deangelo? we were paying him for past performance and there are teams that would have paid him similar quantities (no, not quite as much).

for ur second point, when has that ever happened in FA over the last 5 years? just about every quality player is getting superstar money dropped on them in free agency. see: brandon carr, rodgers-cromartie, vincent jackson, brandon marshall.

we offered to make peppers the highest paid defensive player in nfl history. only reason he ended up getting as much as he did was because dan snyder is an idiot and set a ridiculously high bar for elite dlineman contracts.

[jarhead]

Is it to much to ask to get a decent punter or will we have to go dumpster diving ?

[CatMan72]

If I have a choice of following the GB/PIT model or the WASH/PHI model, I'm taking GB/PIT.

[jarhead]

If I have a choice of following the GB/PIT model or the WASH/PHI model, I'm taking GB/PIT.

Well when you put it that way I agree

[Frizzy350]

If I have a choice of following the GB/PIT model or the WASH/PHI model, I'm taking GB/PIT.

but even GB/PIT go after quality starters in free agency. you know average players like brandon carr, and they pay them 10 million a year.

owaittheyneverdodat.

[R0CKnR0LLA]

we don't operate like any of those franchises at the moment. people constantly bringing up "derp so you want us to be like the redskins? derp" is just a way to not address the fact that our current philosophy isn't working and that better ones exist.

[CatMan72]

...and on Peppers, we didn't want someone who didn't want to be here. By the time he declared his intentions, he only had one year left on his contract so he was in the drivers seat in terms of any trade we tried to negotiate, because he could instantly kill it by letting the other team know he would not be willing to sign an extension with them. The smart teams knew he was gone anyways, so they weren't going to bother trading for him when they could eventually sign him as a FA.

I think we tagged him so we could try to work something out, but it didn't work out, because he didn't want to be here anymore. I personally wouldn't want to bribe someone (who already had problems with effort) into staying - so letting him walk was the right (and only) option we had.

[CatMan72]

we don't operate like any of those franchises at the moment. people constantly bringing up "derp so you want us to be like the redskins? derp" is just a way to not address the fact that our current philosophy isn't working and that better ones exist.

We are at the start of year 3 in practicing this philosophy and it takes time... remember JR and company discussed a "5 year plan" back when we first started purging vets?

[Chimera]

we don't operate like any of those franchises at the moment. people constantly bringing up "derp so you want us to be like the redskins? derp" is just a way to not address the fact that our current philosophy isn't working and that better ones exist.

Well considering the Bears, Skins, Eagles are the ONLY teams who spend big in free agents EVERY season, who exactly are we going to compare the Panthers to? The other 28 teams who approach the offseason like the Panthers?

[Frizzy350]

Well considering the Bears, Skins, Eagles are the ONLY teams who spend big in free agents EVERY season, who exactly are we going to compare the Panthers to? The other 28 teams who approach the offseason like the Panthers?

everyone is expecting the panthers to be able to land proven capable starters in free agency rather than superstars.

problem is for the past 6 years average starters have been getting paid superstar money in FA.

[jarhead]

If we have to draft at DT after drafting 2 in the 3rd and bringing in Ron Edwards causes me to question his judgement.