Cutting Wharton has no immediate impact on cap

[Stroupe-a-loop]

Some of our best acquisitions come from guys other teams discard throughout the preseason while they are paring down rosters to get down to 53.

Can you specifically name a few? I'm not trying to be a dick or anything, but I can't remember any off the top of my head.

[panther4life]

This is just what I said they should and would do if they want to minimize his cap hit and release him to the mutual advantage of Wharton and the team. This way his cap hit will be 2 million instead of 4 million. Why allow him to go now instead of after June 1? Players watch how the front office acquires guys, resigns them as well as releases them. FOs who care about the players future even when they release them earn respect from the players which is important. Why do we need the cap space then as much as now? Some of our best acquisitions come from guys other teams discard throughout the preseason while they are paring down rosters to get down to 53.

This was a smart move by Hurney, the supposedly imbecile, based on threads around here.

As I said in the other thread we will either pay him or release him. I think they can release him now and call it a June 1 release rather than waiting to get the cap benefit and give Wharton a chance to go elsewhere. Someone will pick him up cheap.

You included interpreted as an immediate savings just a few hours ago. Anybody who has read more than 2 cap related threads on here understands the benefits of it releasing someone after June 1st.

I was just sharing info for everyone to get on the same page.

[theyhateme45]

You guys should do a little salary cap research. This is the only move Marty could have done. You want the total cap hit now or half it over the next two years. Whether Hurney is a good judge of talent is up for debate but his cap skills are not. Relax.

I'm sure the FO has a plan, but I would rather take the full hit now. I don't see us making any big $$$ FA acquisitions after June 1st so I don't think we will really need the extra cap space at that point... So if we don't really need it after June 1st, then I would rather deal with it this season to have a clean slate the next... but that's just my .02 cents.

[SIGCHI222]

I'm sure the FO has a plan, but I would rather take the full hit now. I don't see us making any big $$$ FA acquisitions after June 1st so I don't think we will really need the extra cap space at that point... So if we don't really need it after June 1st, then I would rather deal with it this season to have a clean slate the next... but that's just my .02 cents.

But they get to half the hit over the next two years rather than all of it this year. I understand your clean slate logic but we will need draft signee space too. Who knows, I like the move but you may wind up being correct.

[jayflip]

Rabble rabble fuging rabble.

[CatMan72]

What the fug is the point of doing that?

Less dead cap $ this year.

[panthers55]

from what I understand......... this is the first year that teams can release

players they deem June 1st cuts early.

was part of new cba

It has been around for a while. Certainly the last one.

[panthers55]

You included interpreted as an immediate savings just a few hours ago. Anybody who has read more than 2 cap related threads on here understands the benefits of it releasing someone after June 1st.

I was just sharing info for everyone to get on the same page.

I did think you could use the cap space right away so even I learn things each day. But it doesn't change the fact that I was right about what we were going to do.

And if you were so smart, then why were you championing restructuring him or extending him when that shows you knows nothing about the salary cap or how contracts work earlier today??? Didn't see anything about a June 1st release as I mentioned. Seems you didn't have a clue.

5.Travelle Wharton-Scheduled cap hit for 2012, 7.7 Million

On paper we still owe Wharton 15.6 million over the final 2 years of his contract. Only 4 milllion of that is guranteed. You should understand the theme by now.

When looking over everybody under contract I see no reason to cut anybody for monetary purposes only if they are wasting a roster sport.

This is just a rough guess on my part but I think we could save 20 million by adjusting those contracts. That would allow us to keep our key free agents and sign our draft picks. Then maybe 1 mid level splash in free agency.

[Brooklyn Bully]

Hurney can be good with money, but he's also made mistakes with it. You can't, however, say he's good at finding players from other team's scraps more often than not. No back-to-back winning seasons, four winning seasons in 17 years (not all under Hurney of course). Yes we finally have a franchise QB, but until JR and company gets off this, "build through the Draft and keep our own", crap, we won't get any better. Pay attention: If you're not getting better, you are staying the same or getting worse.

Right now, we're an 8-9 win team. We need to get better. All you need to do, FO, is sign one big name who WILL help, and the fans will be happy. Bringing in scrubs in August will not help us get better. Change your tune. You can figure out how to do it now, as I said, Hurney has his moments with the financials.

[panthers55]

Hurney can be good with money, but he's also made mistakes with it. You can't, however, say he's good at finding players from other team's scraps more often than not. No back-to-back winning seasons, four winning seasons in 17 years (not all under Hurney of course). Yes we finally have a franchise QB, but until JR and company gets off this, "build through the Draft and keep our own", crap, we won't get any better. Pay attention: If you're not getting better, you are staying the same or getting worse.

Right now, we're an 8-9 win team. We need to get better. All you need to do, FO, is sign one big name who WILL help, and the fans will be happy. Bringing in scrubs in August will not help us get better. Change your tune. You can figure out how to do it now, as I said, Hurney has his moments with the financials.

First of all Hurney helped produce 3 of those winning seasons in his 10 years and really before 2010 7 wins was our lowest total. You really have to look at pre-2007 as the build through FA period and only since really 2008 have we gone to building through the draft and signing few or mostly cheap free agents. So this is really year 5 of that strategy and year 2 post blowing up the team and going through a total rebuild.

As for bringing in scrubs in August, final cuts are where you find players who teams really debate about cutting and hope they make through waivers so they can sign them to the practice squad. Lets see what happens before deciding we aren't getting better or are destined for an average season.

[KillerKat]

Hurney can be good with money, but he's also made mistakes with it. You can't, however, say he's good at finding players from other team's scraps more often than not. No back-to-back winning seasons, four winning seasons in 17 years (not all under Hurney of course). Yes we finally have a franchise QB, but until JR and company gets off this, "build through the Draft and keep our own", crap, we won't get any better. Pay attention: If you're not getting better, you are staying the same or getting worse.

Right now, we're an 8-9 win team. We need to get better. All you need to do, FO, is sign one big name who WILL help, and the fans will be happy. Bringing in scrubs in August will not help us get better. Change your tune. You can figure out how to do it now, as I said, Hurney has his moments with the financials.

That pretty much sums up my view

[Brooklyn Bully]

First of all Hurney helped produce 3 of those winning seasons in his 10 years and really before 2010 7 wins was our lowest total. You really have to look at pre-2007 as the build through FA period and only since really 2008 have we gone to building through the draft and signing few or mostly cheap free agents. So this is really year 5 of that strategy and year 2 post blowing up the team and going through a total rebuild.

As for bringing in scrubs in August, final cuts are where you find players who teams really debate about cutting and hope they make through waivers so they can sign them to the practice squad. Lets see what happens before deciding we aren't getting better or are destined for an average season.

Well when we have a D-line like we did with Jenks, Buck, Pep, and Ruck we can talk. We need better players, period. Signing guys who get cut in camp will not make us better than we are now. We may be looking at waiting years for the next group to come around if we want a great front four. Unless they make it happen now.

[panthers55]

Can you specifically name a few? I'm not trying to be a dick or anything, but I can't remember any off the top of my head.

Matt Moore comes to mind. Jason Shirley last year who had 2 1/2 sacks in 4 games. Legedu Nannee was signed in August. There are lots more for sure.

[panthers55]

Well when we have a D-line like we did with Jenks, Buck, Pep, and Ruck we can talk. We need better players, period. Signing guys who get cut in camp will not make us better than we are now. We may be looking at waiting years for the next group to come around if we want a great front four. Unless they make it happen now.

That line was exceptional but it is rare to find that. There are 2 ways to have a great line, better personnel or effective scheme. That year we had great personnel, but we can still be effective with players plus a great defensive line scheme (something Fox didn't do well). Hopefully with Rivera we get both but a great scheme can hide average personnel.