Panthers' Official Cap as of 3/11

[jayflip]

The salary cap is easier to manipulate than most of you realize. Nothing to worry about.

[CatMan72]

i wouldn't be surprised if we haven't gotten anything finalized and when we do tomorrow it's only going to be done to meet deadlines

the panthers FO is incredibly slow-footed compared to other teams in this phase of the offseason

Hurney does this on purpose, he believes in waiting till the last minute to see what else comes up... as an example, let's say they're trying to get Wharton to restructure and he won't... if other guys who are released at the last minute because they won't restructure, then it puts more pressure on Wharton and gives Hurney leverage.

[panthers55]

How the fug can a team completely purged during the 2010 NFL season going 2-14, finish 6-10 during the 2011 season be in a worse Cap situation than the Super Bowl Champion Giants? The Giants opponents in the Super Bowl with an extremely well paid QB are 16 million plus under the cap.

The Panthers are also the same team to be the first to enjoy a post Rookie Cap #1 pick.

Depends on how many free agents they have or guys they are going to sign in the next couple of days. If TD's number is in there we can save 6 million by cutting him or more by working out a deal. Plus we can save 4 million by converting Godfrey from a roster bonus to a signing bonus and prorating it for the rest of his contract. If we extend Smitty and convert his this year's salary into a signing bonus we can save 3 or 4 more, so without even knowing what the heck I am doing I can see how we shave off around 12 million. So how is that so desperate??

[CRA]

How the fug can a team completely purged during the 2010 NFL season going 2-14, finish 6-10 during the 2011 season be in a worse Cap situation than the Super Bowl Champion Giants? The Giants opponents in the Super Bowl with an extremely well paid QB are 16 million plus under the cap.

The Panthers are also the same team to be the first to enjoy a post Rookie Cap #1 pick.

Bc we overpaid just about everyone after that...and paid a boatload for a luxury player.

Most teams wouldn't of paid DWill

Wouldn't of overpaid CJ.

would have overpaid Godfrey

Wouldnt of overpaid Davis

Being smarter there last year would have us in good position to make some big moves....and you would still have all of them but the luxury guy. Would much rather be making a move on adding Mario Williams than bragging about having the best #2 RB in the league.

[Jesse]

Fug it I'll be happy if we can sign our rookies

[panthers55]

Bc we overpaid just about everyone after that...and paid a boatload for a luxury player.

Most teams wouldn't of paid DWill

Wouldn't of overpaid CJ.

would have overpaid Godfrey

Wouldnt of overpaid Davis

Being smarter there last year would have us in good position to make some big moves....and you would still have all of them but the luxury guy. Would much rather be making a move on adding Mario Williams than bragging about having the best #2 RB in the league.

Before you get your panties in a wad look at the guaranteed money, that is all we are out for sure. THen compare whhat we are paying them this year to the franchise tag. Then decide how much we are overpaying them.

We didn't expect Davis to go down like he did but even then we built in some wiggle room. With Godfrey we built in a roster bonus which we will likely restructure too a signiing bonus if we keep him and I think we will. CJ was the best DE on the market last year and Williams was signed for a bunch of reasons already dicussed in several threads. Funny that no one mentions Beason and when it all said and done, that might be the worse contract if he can't come back 100%.

[MHS831]

How the fug can a team completely purged during the 2010 NFL season going 2-14, finish 6-10 during the 2011 season be in a worse Cap situation than the Super Bowl Champion Giants? The Giants opponents in the Super Bowl with an extremely well paid QB are 16 million plus under the cap.

The Panthers are also the same team to be the first to enjoy a post Rookie Cap #1 pick.

Everyone wants to look at Marty's first round picks and proclaim him a good GM. He sucks, as you point out. He overspent on his own players because they are KNOWN quantities. He has no eye for talent. Want proof? Look who he drafted when he was getting no input from the coach (Fox was a lame duck): Clausen (tried to trade up to get him), Armanti (traded the 33rd pick in the 2011 draft to get a smallish, small-school QB who had never caught a punt in his life to play WR, return punts, and run the wildcat, a fad gimmick, basically.

He paid a ton to DW, a running back who had not finished a season in 2 years and who would play most of his contract on the wrong side of 30. RBs are devalued in the NFL right now, but we have 2 first rounders. DW had about 600 yards last year on about 115 carries. Are we getting what we paid for? And Thomas Davis got guaranteed $ to extend his contract after 2 ACL surgeries---He had a year left on his deal--Why give the man guaranteed money until you KNOW the knee is fine? How STUPID was that? And to make matters worse, we give Kalil and Beason contracts that make them the highest paid players at their respective positions when they are not the best players at their positions. Godfrey was overpaid. CJ was overpaid, but we HAD to pay him that becuse we draft reactively instead of proactively.

Those who say the Hurney is good will refer you to the first round and his high success rate. He drafts SAFELY in the first round. LBs, OL, RBs, CB--all positions that are easy to project to the NFL. We Have needed DT badly since Jenkins left. Who are the DTs we drafted? DT is difficult to project, as is DE. So we get Tank Tyler and Leonard Lewis, Pat Hayden and Corvey Irvin.

Bottom line: Hurney's spending has been as bad as his drafting in the second round. I hear him say, "We kept our core." as if we should be impressed by that. When you suck, it takes more $ to keep players here--I see that. However, Do not brag about the DW contract when he gets an average of 7 carries per game or the Johnson deal when he cannot break double digit sacks. Please explain how Godfrey deserves to be rich or how Beason deserves more than Willis.

We should be about $30 million under the cap.

Cut Wharton

Cut Davis

Cut Clausen

That is what should happen. Savings? About $13 million.

Sign an OLB and maybe an OG in free agency.

[MHS831]

Before you get your panties in a wad look at the guaranteed money, that is all we are out for sure. THen compare whhat we are paying them this year to the franchise tag. Then decide how much we are overpaying them.

We didn't expect Davis to go down like he did but even then we built in some wiggle room. With Godfrey we built in a roster bonus which we will likely restructure too a signiing bonus if we keep him and I think we will. CJ was the best DE on the market last year and Williams was signed for a bunch of reasons already dicussed in several threads. Funny that no one mentions Beason and when it all said and done, that might be the worse contract if he can't come back 100%.

Good point about Beason, and I did mention it before reading this. But Davis had a year left on his deal. Why extend him after 2 ACL surgeries?

When RBs are devalued, when you have a Stewart on the roster, when they hit the wall at age 30, why give DW a ton of cash and let two third-round rookies and a 32 year old reserve free agent handle the DT responsibilities in a 4-3? That is crazy!! So we are getting gashed for 140 yards per game on the ground and DW is gaining 40. Smart. Free agent DTs Mebane and Cofield signed for less money.

Instead of comparing these players to the franchise tag, compare their salaries to players in the league on second contracts with equal production. Wharton, for example, should be cut because he will demand $7 million this year and was one of the worst pass-blocking Gs in the NFL. How did Godfrey's contract rank in comparison to other Strong Safeties of similar productivity? What about Kalil's?

We have a roster full of overpaid players at some positions while important positions like DT and CB are neglected. Just my opinion.

[CRA]

Before you get your panties in a wad look at the guaranteed money, that is all we are out for sure. THen compare whhat we are paying them this year to the franchise tag. Then decide how much we are overpaying them.

We didn't expect Davis to go down like he did but even then we built in some wiggle room. With Godfrey we built in a roster bonus which we will likely restructure too a signiing bonus if we keep him and I think we will. CJ was the best DE on the market last year and Williams was signed for a bunch of reasons already dicussed in several threads. Funny that no one mentions Beason and when it all said and done, that might be the worse contract if he can't come back 100%.

So you don't think we overpaid anyone?

Don't need to compare it to the franchise tag bc I think Carolina should of done the new deals. They could of paid every one of those guys listed less money and saved millions. What was CJ offered in Atl again? He could do been retained with a new deal for a lot less.....same for Godfrey and Davis.

Beason could be the deal that hurts the worst....but going in you had to pay him. The others guys you had to pay to keep ....just not as much as we did.

You are saying we couldn't of kept this guys on smaller new deals? I find that hard to believe. CJ was the best and most attractive....and no one was offering close to what we paid.

[chknwing]

Not as bad as I thought, we can cut Jimmy, restructure TD's, and we can play around with a few other contracts and move money around.

If they were cutting Jimmy, I think would have done that by now.

[Matthias]

My thing is, will some of these overpaid players restructure their contracts? Look at the Raiders and how Palmer, Seymour, Huff, and a couple of other guys restructured because they knew they were overpaid. The guys I would like to restructure are CJ, Davis, and DeAngelo once we re-sign Stewart to a new deal.

[CRA]

Beason is hindsight. Injury changes how it looks.

The others aren't. We overpaid them and that stood out right when they signed.

[Matthias]

Now I do believe Kalil earned his money. I would say he is clearly the best center in the league, and probably is the fastest. (In the Falcons' game he showed this by consistently getting up the field and blocking for our guys)

[Ja Rhule]

Restructuring doesn't mean pay cut. You just turn base salary into incentives or bonuses. Bonuses spread out over leigh of contract. So if CJ projected 15 million this year with 5 years left on contract, we can convert 10 million into bonuses. Means he will count 7 million against our cap this year. But its bad in a long run because if he's cut it will be dead money. Only base salary counts against total salary cap. You can manipulate salary cap every year. But if you give up too many big contracts with too many bonuses and guaranteed amount, u will be screwed with dead money, like Oakland this year.