34 - Not the Defense

[CRA]

Something tells me Stew is going to take off as soon as his contract ends.

Hey, as long as we kept our senior citizen running back who peaked in 2008. :(

Nah, Stewart is just putting it off now bc he wants to get paid. He will too valuable at that point for us to let walk. We will give him a deal bigger than Williams.....and a 30 yr old Williams will either have to redo his deal or be cut. Keeping Stewart at that point will be more important than 30 yr old RB....not only will Stewart be much better in a vacuum but it will be magnified bc of how well he fits or scheme vs Williams

[CRA]

OK- I gave him two more good years. You gave him "right around the corner" again.

Since the last SB win they haven't gotten it done despite Brady being Manning good. I'd blame it on Belichick's personnel decisions. They better win with an all-world QB. Window is closing.

Not 11. I get it...the Brady/Belichick years have been great, but they haven't closed the deal since the 2004 season.

What? All I said was we aren't clinging to players beyond their peak and we have a really young team to prove it. Players have been paid for outperforming their contract. No dispute there, but they are expected to be able to work moving forward. Some in the past worked out, some didn't.

2 more good years doesn't mean 2 more years in his prime....Stewart will be in his prime. Too much focus on how Manu decent years Williams could have left....not enough on the fact you are now paying the 3rd cog in your rushing attack top 5 cash. Williams could be high end FA CB or DE.

Again, NE has had 11 consecutive winning seasons....that is success. Our model has never yielded us 2 consecutive winning seasons. Can't knock them bc it has yielded them rings when comparing them to Carolina.

Williams is a luxury. Too many needs on this team for that

[MHS831]

No. Last year he was healthy and got 155 carries. We ain't in Foxville anymore, folks, which is why his contract was stupid.

[panthers55]

No. Last year he was healthy and got 155 carries. We ain't in Foxville anymore, folks, which is why his contract was stupid.

It is a 6 year contract and we are beginning year 2. This time we will have a full offseason to install the offense and Chud knows what he has. Lets see what happens this time around. Otherwise determining the end result when you are only 16% of the way in seems rather premature.

[Panthro]

With his injury history I'm surprised you are not touting Trent Richardson as the pick

[thefuzz]

He won't likely see his last year or two of the contract unless he remains as productive as he is right now. He is top 5 in Yards per carry. He is not slower by any measure and older doesn't matter if he is still productive.

His salary won't be top 5 this year particularly if several backs are franchised as expected.

Sproles was franchised in 2009 when he made 6.62M and in 2010 he was a RFA but got 7.28 M because they had to pay him 10% over the 2009 salary.

In 2009- Sproles had 93 rushing attempts for 343 yards (3.7YPC) and another 45 receptions for 497 yards. Then in 2010 he had 50 carries for 267 yards ( 5.3 yards) and 59 catches for 520 yards..

So lets review, Sproles is a star who was worth franchising in 2009 and paying 10% more in 2010. But Wiliams is superfluous yet he had more rushing yards and passing yards in 2011 then Sproles did any season for SD. And before you go there, returning yards can't be seen in the same light unless you are Devin Hester. Otherwise you have to make Pilares a great returner with his 20 returns for 25.7 yards a return which is a better average than Sproles had in San Diego.

Do you even think about what you are typing. Unlike SD, we had a perfectly good no.1 back on our roster when DWill was outrageously overpaid.

Again, I am not just comparing the two running backs. I am also looking at the contracts that they were given. Do you not think that a DT would have been a better investment, or possibly a CB with the same money that we used to get a backup running back?

[captfluoro]

2 more good years doesn't mean 2 more years in his prime....Stewart will be in his prime. Too much focus on how Manu decent years Williams could have left....not enough on the fact you are now paying the 3rd cog in your rushing attack top 5 cash. Williams could be high end FA CB or DE.

Again, NE has had 11 consecutive winning seasons....that is success. Our model has never yielded us 2 consecutive winning seasons. Can't knock them bc it has yielded them rings when comparing them to Carolina.

Williams is a luxury. Too many needs on this team for that

The 3rd cog? You may not agree with the contract but that statement is just false. Averages per year in the 4 years since Stew has been on the team:

DW: 5.2 ypc, 8.25 TD, 183 carries, average long rush 65 yds with longest 77

JS: 4.8ypc, 6.5 TD, 181 carries, average long rush 47 yds with longest 67

For his 6 year carreer on the Panthers:

DW: 5.1 ypc, 12.8 TD, 144 carries, average long rush 61 yds, longest 77

Just for comparison here is Cam last year:

5.6 ypc, 14 TD, 126 carries, long rush 49 yards

Cam has the best numbers so at worst DW is the second running weapon we have. But does anyone really want Cam to be running with the ball 150-180 times a year?

DW is older than Stew and that is about it. By the numbers he is the better RB. He is not in any way the "3rd cog".

I think its great that we have two top RB on the team and I hope in a few years Stew gets a huge contract as well.

[CRA]

The 3rd cog? You may not agree with the contract but that statement is just false. Averages per year in the 4 years since Stew has been on the team:

DW: 5.2 ypc, 8.25 TD, 183 carries, average long rush 65 yds with longest 77

JS: 4.8ypc, 6.5 TD, 181 carries, average long rush 47 yds with longest 67

For his 6 year carreer on the Panthers:

DW: 5.1 ypc, 12.8 TD, 144 carries, average long rush 61 yds, longest 77

Just for comparison here is Cam last year:

5.6 ypc, 14 TD, 126 carries, long rush 49 yards

Cam has the best numbers so at worst DW is the second running weapon we have. But does anyone really want Cam to be running with the ball 150-180 times a year?

DW is older than Stew and that is about it. By the numbers he is the better RB. He is not in any way the "3rd cog".

the prior 4 years have NOTHING to do with my statement. New era, new scheme, new system. DeAngleo overall has been a clearly better RB thus far but that again has NOTHING to do with this talk.

Cam, Stewart, Williams.....3 headed monster. If you have to bench one for half the season....who do you bench? You bench Williams. Easy.

Why?

Not only b/c Stewart is the better overall RB in this scheme but Stewart sets up Cam as a running threat w/ the read option...NOT DeAngelo.

So again, a 3 headed rushing attack.....Williams is the least important cog. Stewart fits the scheme and sets up Cam's running the read option stuff. Looking a stat sheet only means so much.....last year despite the occassional long run the bread and butter was clearly Cam/Stewart.

[megadeth078]

Nah, Stewart is just putting it off now bc he wants to get paid. He will too valuable at that point for us to let walk. We will give him a deal bigger than Williams.....and a 30 yr old Williams will either have to redo his deal or be cut. Keeping Stewart at that point will be more important than 30 yr old RB....not only will Stewart be much better in a vacuum but it will be magnified bc of how well he fits or scheme vs Williams

Thanks for clearing that up, really. I have no idea how this contract negotation shiit works. I flipped my shiit when I read that Stew was avoiding contract talk because I had no clue what that meant. I don't know if I see Williams redoing his deal. He knows he is gonna have to get a paycut when he is 30 years old, but I wonder if he will have too much pride to stay in the same offense with his former backup getting a bigger paycheck now. I don't know though.

[CRA]

Thanks for clearing that up, really. I have no idea how this contract negotation shiit works. I flipped my shiit when I read that Stew was avoiding contract talk because I had no clue what that meant. I don't know if I see Williams redoing his deal. He knows he is gonna have to get a paycut when he is 30 years old, but I wonder if he will have too much pride to stay in the same offense with his former backup getting a bigger paycheck now. I don't know though.

just business. RBs can't have big egos anymore. Turning into a roleplayer position. Better RBs than Williams have accepted that as they age. Look at LT....he just wants to play.

[captfluoro]

I see your point, but I still think DW will thrive just as well as Stew will in this scheme.

As for the original question, I think DW will get 1000 yds this season.

[rodeo]

800 tops. Really wish they would make J-stew the primary back.

He is. He had the most carries in the NFC South last season.

Taking the first snap doesn't mean you're the primary back.

[CRA]

He is. He had the most carries in the NFC South last season.

Taking the first snap doesn't mean you're the primary back.

yep, plus his snap count doesn't show up on your standard stat sheet.

Stewart was on the field more than any RB in the division by a wide margin. Stewart is easily the #1 RB right now based off last season. He gives Chud more options on the field vs. Williams. Scheme matters.

[csx]

He is. He had the most carries in the NFC South last season.

Taking the first snap doesn't mean you're the primary back.

Michael Turner had more than twice as many.

Deangello had more carries.

Blount had more carries.