Brockers didn't bench?

[jungleking]

We've all seen and heard the reports that Brockers only put up 19 reps of 225 at the NFL combine in Indianapolis, which would make him the weakest defensive lineman in the draft. His agent is now claiming that he never participated in the bench press, and also that his height--originally listed at 6'7", edited to 6'5"--is also too low. He also reports that three teams timed his forty in a range well below the NFL's official time.

Anyone else confused? There's cameras all over the place, this can't be that hard to work out.

[rayzor]

no he didn't. they screwed up his height. they screwed up his official 40 time (and that wasn't the only one they did).

doesn't really matter, though, except for draft analysts and mockers. teams don't pay much attention to that poo. teams don't really care about combine stats as much as people think. the interviews there matter way more than anything.

combine is really only beneficial for players that haven't garnered much attention from teams yet. for the higher profile players like brockers, the combine is not much more than a formality and a way to get additional face time with prospective employers. he already had a lot of teams interested in him who were going to bring him in for private workouts and others were going to he going to his pro day.

for him the combine was pretty irrelevant overall.

for lower profile players that haven't gotten much attention from teams, it's a chance to get considered and have their game tapes looked at to see if they are worth looking more into or worth a mid-late round pick.

[chubs2496]

I don't think brockers should go in the first round. Maybe the back half. Would much rather have Still or cox. Mainly still.

[MadHatter]

no he didn't. they screwed up his height. they screwed up his official 40 time (and that wasn't the only one they did).

doesn't really matter, though, except for draft analysts and mockers. teams don't pay much attention to that poo. teams don't really care about combine stats as much as people think. the interviews there matter way more than anything.

combine is really only beneficial for players that haven't garnered much attention from teams yet. for the higher profile players like brockers, the combine is not much more than a formality and a way to get additional face time with prospective employers. he already had a lot of teams interested in him who were going to bring him in for private workouts and others were going to he going to his pro day.

for him the combine was pretty irrelevant overall.

for lower profile players that haven't gotten much attention from teams, it's a chance to get considered and have their game tapes looked at to see if they are worth looking more into or worth a mid-late round pick.

I really believe that you are minimizing the impact of the combine for Brockers because it supports your opinion.

If (and this report puts a questionable light on the results) he put up the bad results in all of the drills, it is likely to cause teams to take another look at everything. If a team had him high on their board because they believed that his "freakish athletic ability" provided tremendous upside, then the results could be significant. If he lifted, ran, etc and had the terrible results, team may question his "athletic ability".

I definitely do not think that good or bad results at teh combine are singularly a reson to draft or not draft a guy.....but those results (good or bd) definitely factor into the team's decision. To think that they just don't matter is naive at best.

[rayzor]

I really believe that you are minimizing the impact of the combine for Brockers because it supports your opinion.

If (and this report puts a questionable light on the results) he put up the bad results in all of the drills, it is likely to cause teams to take another look at everything. If a team had him high on their board because they believed that his "freakish athletic ability" provided tremendous upside, then the results could be significant. If he lifted, ran, etc and had the terrible results, team may question his "athletic ability".

I definitely do not think that good or bad results at teh combine are singularly a reson to draft or not draft a guy.....but those results (good or bd) definitely factor into the team's decision. To think that they just don't matter is naive at best.

brockers has nothing to do with it. i'm basing it off comments i have seen from real teams. real scouts. real players. not hacks with a twitter account, bloggers, and media guys on NFLN and ESPN.

i've seen comments from team employed scouts and execs saying that events like the combine and pro days play at most only 10-20% of their decision. It just isn't the factor in making decisions that people believe it is.

i love the idea of brockers, but i honestly couldn't care less if it was brockers (who had a meh combine) or poe (who had a stellar combine) or cox (who had a great combine but isn't nearly as hyped as poe or brockers).

[Panthro]

lsu pro day is march 19th.

[rayzor]

lsu pro day is march 19th.

he meets with the panthers before that, doesn't he?

[Panthro]

he already came in once iirc

[Panthro]

he already came in once iirc

[bababoey]

brockers has nothing to do with it. i'm basing it off comments i have seen from real teams. real scouts. real players. not hacks with a twitter account, bloggers, and media guys on NFLN and ESPN.

i've seen comments from team employed scouts and execs saying that events like the combine and pro days play at most only 10-20% of their decision. It just isn't the factor in making decisions that people believe it is.

i love the idea of brockers, but i honestly couldn't care less if it was brockers (who had a meh combine) or poe (who had a stellar combine) or cox (who had a great combine but isn't nearly as hyped as poe or brockers).

The combine was originally started to look at players for medical reasons. To see if they had medical problems that there were not telling teams about. Like teams found out about Bowers last year. Its turn in to be more of a show for the fans than the scouts really.

A great combine might move a guy from the 5th round up to maybe the bottom of the 3rd or from the end of the 1st to closer to me middle of it, but its not going to move a guy from the 3rd round to like the middle of the 1st. Unless a coach just falls in love with him or something.

[rayzor]

he already came in once iirc

hadn't seen that. i knew that his agent said that he had one lined up but i couldn't remember when it was to take place. i thought it was in early-mid march.

[rayzor]

The combine was originally started to look at players for medical reasons. To see if they had medical problems that there were not telling teams about. Like teams found out about Bowers last year. Its turn in to be more of a show for the fans than the scouts really.

A great combine might move a guy from the 5th round up to maybe the bottom of the 3rd or from the end of the 1st to closer to me middle of it, but its not going to move a guy from the 3rd round to like the middle of the 1st. Unless a coach just falls in love with him or something.

yup. agreed.

[Panthro]

hadn't seen that. i knew that his agent said that he had one lined up but i couldn't remember when it was to take place. i thought it was in early-mid march.

I could be wrong. I thought he had already been here

[MadHatter]

brockers has nothing to do with it. i'm basing it off comments i have seen from real teams. real scouts. real players. not hacks with a twitter account, bloggers, and media guys on NFLN and ESPN.

i've seen comments from team employed scouts and execs saying that events like the combine and pro days play at most only 10-20% of their decision. It just isn't the factor in making decisions that people believe it is.

i love the idea of brockers, but i honestly couldn't care less if it was brockers (who had a meh combine) or poe (who had a stellar combine) or cox (who had a great combine but isn't nearly as hyped as poe or brockers).

I agree with you 100% that it is not a significant factor in the decision. I believe that a really good combine or a really bad combine is merely used as one data point for a team to maybe take another or harder look at a guy.

If his measurable and drills results do not support your original opinion or evaluation of the guy, you may take a longer and deeper look.

I don't want a DT at #9 because I don't see a game changer there. I think the players there are probably an upgrade, but not enough to warrant a first round pick.

I would rather pick up a CB, LB, or DE.