If we take Luke Kuechly who plays MLB?

[MadHatter]

I'm hunting lulz

Go back to not wanting Cam Newton again....because your input seems to be spot on when it comes to drafting.

I was completely wrong on Newton....and have said so many time.

Still does not make any of your comments any more intelligent or relevant.....that ship has sailed.

[Panthro]

I guess we should just stop talking about draft picks. Opinions be damned

[rayzor]

You watched every BC game? I doubt it. I watched him when the played NC State...he was everywhere. Great college LB. Helluva tackler.

Has he reached his full potential though? I think he's already playing at the top of his game. My opinion obviously differs. If he's the pick I'm fine with it (like i have a choice :)) but I'd prefer a DL/CB and a LB in the second.

i don't see him to have reached his potential. not sure why you would believe that. every year his production and level of play has grown.

he's got just as much room for growth as anyone in the draft, imo. the only thing is, his floor is already higher than most.

i agree i'd rather us have a DT or CB first in the draft, but if this guy is the pick i'm still going to be excited.

i don't know about him being a generational talent, but i totally believe that he is in the top 3 defensive talents in this draft.

[Panthro]

I was completely wrong on Newton....and have said so many time.

Still does not make any of your comments any more intelligent or relevant.....that ship has sailed.

It was completely irrelevant just like trying to replace Beason because we have a bunch of premeds running around.

This team has put a premium on drafting LBs and RBs in the 1st rounds and it's maddening.

[Panthro]

i don't see him to have reached his potential. not sure why you would believe that. every year his production and level of play has grown.

he's got just as much room for growth as anyone in the draft, imo. the only thing is, his floor is already higher than most.

i agree i'd rather us have a DT or CB first in the draft, but if this guy is the pick i'm still going to be excited.

i don't know about him being a generational talent, but i totally believe that he is in the top 3 defensive talents in this draft.

I just want to get that warm and fuzzy feeling about him. I see him and see Aaron Curry...I don't want to. Trust me.

[Peppers90 NC]

this could be a great pick, especially if the organization has doubts about Beason coming back full strength, he could be put back outside where he only has to really cover one side of the field. Panthro is right kinda about something, he is no Willis and Willis went #10, so he could be gotten at a lower draft position than #9. I am just not excited about this pick in general for some reason damn't.

[Panthro]

this could be a great pick, especially if the organization has doubts about Beason coming back full strength, he could be put back outside where he only has to really cover one side of the field. Panthro is right kinda about something, he is no Willis and Willis went #10, so he could be gotten at a lower draft position than #9. I am just not excited about this pick in general for some reason damn't.

my thoughts too. I want to like this kid and be stoked if we draft him.

[DaCityKats]

No he wasn't good in zone look at the analysis. Find me one that says he was good in zone instead of your opinion. As for getting after the quarterback he had 2.5 sacks but no quarterback hurries. So that usually means he tackled a QB who was trying to run moreso than being great attacking the QB. He is a poor man's Kuechly who has good measurables except height and instincts.

2 picks in 2011, 1 in 2010 and 2009. my opinion is based off me watching him play. 8.5 sacks in 2010 when he mostly played OLB cant find hurries and things at the time. so like i said keep trying to make your guy into some super LB. Kuechly is a decent ball player, but you are making him into something he is not.

my bad here is the link.

http://cal.rivals.com/cviewplayer.asp?Player=401638

[Actionman0z]

Everyone keeps talking trade back, trade back, trade back.. maybe they should get rid of pics 9-11, and go straight from 8 to 12.

[CRA]

You watched every BC game? I doubt it. I watched him when the played NC State...he was everywhere. Great college LB. Helluva tackler.

Has he reached his full potential though? I think he's already playing at the top of his game. My opinion obviously differs. If he's the pick I'm fine with it (like i have a choice :)) but I'd prefer a DL/CB and a LB in the second.

Not every game but I am an ACC guy...and just watch ACC football. From your posts, you clearly haven't watched him. You can disagree that we don't need him sure...but based on your posts you are talking about a guy you haven't seen play enough. He isn't comparable to Curry. Someone saying he is a safe pick doesn't make him Curry.

I fine with DE, CB, LB at #9...just not DT. DT won't even be close to BPA on D. Guy we can draft in the 2nd round would be too comparable

[koolkatluke]

At this point I don't care what position we draft as long as it's on defense

and we find a way to not start Capt, Fua, and Butler.

[CRA]

At this point I don't care what position we draft as long as it's on defense

and we find a way to not start Capt, Fua, and Butler.

I'm fine w/ Captain in the nickel role.

[koolkatluke]

I'm fine w/ Captain in the nickel role.

I'm ok with Capt in nickel but starting hell no.

[frash.exe]

They have all been studs at least. Davis would have been a stud if Fox hadn't wasted years moving him to S

besides the fact that he only played one year at safety and that was mainly to spy vick before they put him in his normal position, yea, they've been studs, but we burn through them way too quickly. I mean just look at all the games we've gotten out of 3 first round picks at linebacker

in 7 regular seasons Morgan missed 53 games, mainly due to concussions (11th overall pick). The games he's played in amount to roughly 3.5 seasons

we got 3.5 seasons from Davis as a starter (14th overall pick)

and before Beason's achilles blew out which may not allow him to ever play at the level he's been performing again we got 4 seasons worth of starts (25th overall)

so far that's about 11 seasons combined. Cam, another first round selection at QB, is probably going to last us like 14 years. Peppers gave us 8 years and we'd be up to ten if he was willing to stay here, and Gross has given us more than 8 1/2. None of these guys are linebackers.

why do we assume it's just going to be different with drafting another linebacker in the first (now going to be a 9th pick), when the investments we've made at that position have not lasted nearly long enough to justify a first round selection. All we've gotten out of our "stud" linebackers in a long term scope are short careers.

This is a problem you'd generally use FA to fix, not core player drafting investments