If we take Luke Kuechly who plays MLB?

[micnificent28]

No. I think there are much bigger needs. also i don't believe in taking lb who aren't game changers i.e von miller in the top 10.

[Panthro]

Are you really that slow or what?? I have explained a dozen times that pressuring a quarterback is about scheme and they didn't do it much? Just because he played coverage doesn't mean he can't blitz or pressue the QB. I actually think you know that but are being obtuse on purpose. Try something new instead of the same tired 3 points.

I don't recall insulting you in this discussion. Thanks for proving that you are no different then TRD. Pompous and determined to be right no matter the facts.

He has not shown any abilities a LB needs in a JJ defense but you assume all he needs to do is be schemed for them and he will excel. That's a helluva an assumption with a top 10 pick

[panthers55]

I don't recall insulting you in this discussion. Thanks for proving that you are no different then TRD. Pompous and determined to be right no matter the facts.

He has not shown any abilities a LB needs in a JJ defense but you assume all he needs to do is be schemed for them and he will excel. That's a helluva an assumption with a top 10 pick

It wasn't an insult unless you are that slow which I said wasn't likely. It was pointing out an obvious debating strategy of saying the same thing over and over despite the answer being discussed numerous times.

Then you return the favor. Pot meet kettle.

[jarhead]

The only reason I even started the post was based on a conversation I had with an orthopedic surgeon that does not have specific knowledge of Beasons injury... but what he said was the injury is serious and the chances of playing at the same level is low.He also said that incidence of reinjury is pretty high.

I also found a link below from a medical perspective

The study below suggest that 36% never return but more importantly look at the chances of the player being the same and the average games played

I completely understand that the play of our DL was bad and the play of our secondary was bad but we cannot just assume Beason will be the Beason of past nor can we ignore Dan Conners is a FA and TD will return. So is it to outlandish to conjecture that a versitle LB may be just as big of a need or more to run a JJ Defense?Admit it or not Luke is a special player and warrants a serious look.

http://www.lowerextremityreview.com/article/return-to-football-after-achilles-tendon-rupture

[Panthro]

Yeah calling you pompous after inferring that I was slow because I didn't see eye to eye with you on a guy that's proven to be nothing more than an Aaron Curry/Lauernitus clone is similar.

TRD55

[jarhead]

Yeah calling you pompous after inferring that I was slow because I didn't see eye to eye with you on a guy that's proven to be nothing more than an Aaron Curry/Lauernitus clone is similar.

TRD55

Comparing him to ACurry is like comparing Ryan Leaf to Andrew Luck.We will not know until the season but all indications point to him being a special player

[DaCityKats]

People said we didn't need Jon Beason when we had Morgan. You can't go wrong with great talent...it always pays off.

Out LB corp is getting weaker. If Beason is less than 100% and we add no real talent.....that won't be good. Luke can do more than play MLB. He did in college when asked...is talented enough to be more and be a backup to Beason if needed.

wow, everyone spinning words in this thread... glad I didn't involve myself.. :lol:

I think he was referring to talent: a heady LBer who can run sideline to sideline, not necessarily someone who can play MLB in place of Beason..

and it would not hurt to have a LB to add to the group we have, but there are just as good prospects that could be had in later rounds. again Kendricks, Hightower, Brown, Shea have just as much ability as Luke. although they didnt have a butt load of tackles like him, they all have experience in playing both inside and outside LB as well as blitzing and coming after the QB. Luke coverage skills are not what some of you guys think they are, he is decent but not great.

[DaCityKats]

Not really. He has played ILB in a 3-4 his whole college career. He is a little short at 5'11" has trouble shedding blocks. He could only play Will in a 4-3 where he is shielded somewhat from linemen blocking him. He is fast and athletic though.

he played OLB his junior year in that 3-4. at work cant pull up the video and depth chart now.his size and speed makes him the perfect WLB for the JJ 4-3 defense. and he could play some MLB as well.

The Bears also have a pair of part-time starters back from a year ago in D.J. Holt (37 tackles) and Mychal Kendricks (71 tackles), who ranked a distant second to Mohamed's Pac-10 leading 112 tackles in 2009. Both players have previous experience starting on both the inside and outside. Keith Browner and Jarred Price are expected to see action at outside linebacker as well.

http://www.calbears.com/sports/m-footbl/spec-rel/080410aaa.html

[panthers55]

he played OLB his junior year in that 3-4. at work cant pull up the video and depth chart now.his size and speed makes him the perfect WLB for the JJ 4-3 defense. and he could play some MLB as well.

The Bears also have a pair of part-time starters back from a year ago in D.J. Holt (37 tackles) and Mychal Kendricks (71 tackles), who ranked a distant second to Mohamed's Pac-10 leading 112 tackles in 2009. Both players have previous experience starting on both the inside and outside. Keith Browner and Jarred Price are expected to see action at outside linebacker as well.

http://www.calbears.com/sports/m-footbl/spec-rel/080410aaa.html

http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/college_player_scouting_report.html&player=37536

but doesn't anticipate routes well in the pass game and doesn't get many early jumps on the football. Looks more natrual in man where he can just key onto his man, keep his feet under him and close. Has a tendency to take a false step and is a bit slower to react in zone coverage.

Doesn't have the type of size though to routinely take on blocks on contact. Routinely can be overwhelmed at the point and washed out of plays if a lineman can reach him. Has the quicks to run around blocks, but lacks ideal length and struggles to disengage initially through contact. Works his legs hard to get around blockers when setting the edge, but lacks ideal flexibility in the hips and ends up on the ground too often

However, as a thumper inside with the potential to get into the backfield as a blitzer who should get plenty of looks from 34 teams in need of a versatile, high motor backer

[Panthro]

Comparing him to ACurry is like comparing Ryan Leaf to Andrew Luck.We will not know until the season but all indications point to him being a special player

Aaron Curry = Ryan Leaf

Kuechly = Luck

how so? not sure if I follow your logic. perhaps i'm a bit slow.

please expound. if hes going to be our pick I'd like to be more comfortable with him.

How is Curry like Leaf?

How are Curry and Kuechly so different.

[CRA]

Aaron Curry = Ryan Leaf

Kuechly = Luck

how so? not sure if I follow your logic. perhaps i'm a bit slow.

please expound. if hes going to be our pick I'd like to be more comfortable with him.

How is Curry like Leaf?

How are Curry and Kuechly so different.

I dont like that analogy at all...

But Curry and Kuechly are simply nothing alike. Yeah, Curry was projected as a safe pick but lots of guys bust at all positions. Luke was a better college LB by a fair margin....simply did things on the field Curry didn't.

[jarhead]

Aaron Curry = Ryan Leaf

Kuechly = Luck

how so? not sure if I follow your logic. perhaps i'm a bit slow.

please expound. if hes going to be our pick I'd like to be more comfortable with him.

How is Curry like Leaf?

How are Curry and Kuechly so different.

You are missing the whole point.Read my above post after speaking with an orthropec surgeon and give me your opinion on what we will due if Beason either cannot return or will not return to his current form and lets discuss that.I refuse to continue this silly pissing match

[panthers55]

Aaron Curry = Ryan Leaf

Kuechly = Luck

how so? not sure if I follow your logic. perhaps i'm a bit slow.

please expound. if hes going to be our pick I'd like to be more comfortable with him.

How is Curry like Leaf?

How are Curry and Kuechly so different.

Actually Curry and Kuechly arn't that different in measurables although production on the field aren't close. Curry never had more thn 66 tackles in a season at Wake Forest and total of 331 in 4 years. Kuechly had over 500 in three years.

Still assume they are exactly alike. Using the argument that if Curry was a bust then Kuechly will be a bust is the same thing that gets dragged out every year wih different names. Manning and Leaf, Newton and Young, Gholston and Coples.

Drafting isn't an exact science and some players thought to not have a chance do great and others thought to be no risk don't. Still if I had to pick every year I would keep taking the can't miss prospect over the riskier guy unless they are a rare talent like Newton or I have good reason to suspect that the pundits are wrong. You can always find exceptions to the rule but that doesn't mean you abandon the rule.

[Panthro]

Here's some history.

2002 - None

2003- Terrel Suggs

2004 - None

2005 - None

2006 -AJ Hawk, Ernie Sims

2007 - None

2008 - Keith Rivers, Jerod Mayo

2009 - Aaron Curry

2010 - Rolando McClain

2011 - Von Miller