If we take Luke Kuechly who plays MLB?

[koolkatluke]

What the heck do you think he has been doing for the past 10 years? He has played in a 4-3 and a 3-4.

What was Chuck smith doing before he became a panther. What was Sean Gilbert doing before he was a panther. Doug Evans, Kevin Dyson, Dj Hackett, Landon johnson And Darwin Walker all did somthing with another team but didn't do it here. But you're right we should not even think about that in Ron's case.

[Panthro]

Again it shows how litle you know about him. He was in coverage on passing plays not blitzing. When he is the best player on the team and great in coverage you don't wast him blitzing when that would be a poor use of his ability. You blitz the other guys not him.

Lets not include the 3 Ints for 76 yards including a 49 yard Td.. Lets forget the 12 tackles for a loss which you say wasn't in the top 50 all time, for all positions or for linebacker? Which one??

It's obvious you are ignoring jjs defense you were kind enough to explain and how they blitz 50% of the time.

0 sacks

0 forced fumbles

12 tackles for loss

But greatest linebacker to go pro in years

Lol

[bleys]

wow, everyone spinning words in this thread... glad I didn't involve myself.. :lol:

You don't need Dan Morgan when you got Jon Beason.

I think he was referring to talent: a heady LBer who can run sideline to sideline, not necessarily someone who can play MLB in place of Beason..

we don't really need another coverage linebacker though

if we improve the unit we need a pass-rusher or a thumper in the middle

I don't know, I worry about our ability to cover.. Anderson doesn't impress me much, but he's fine if the weakest link and I rather see a future replacement on the field who can cover if TD can't stay healthy all season.. aside from Beason.

[koolkatluke]

People said we didn't need Jon Beason when we had Morgan. You can't go wrong with great talent...it always pays off.

Out LB corp is getting weaker. If Beason is less than 100% and we add no real talent.....that won't be good. Luke can do more than play MLB. He did in college when asked...is talented enough to be more and be a backup to Beason if needed.

Same can be said with any position on this team. If Ron isn't what we hope he is or gets hurt again that won't be good.

If steve smith gets hurt that won't be good.

If Chris Gamble gets hurt that won't be good.

If Cj gets hurt that on't be good.

If Cam gets hurt that really won't look good.

You see that kind of thinking works at alot of position on this team.

[frash.exe]

It's obvious you are ignoring jjs defense you were kind enough to explain and how they blitz 50% of the time.

0 sacks

0 forced fumbles

12 tackles for loss

But greatest linebacker to go pro in years

Lol

Scardraft says approximately 65% of the time on passing downs

you really need a physical linebacker to play the middle to do this defense right. Luke's never blitzed that much in college. It wouldn't be a great fit unless you as a scout think he can adapt to that role.

[frash.exe]

I don't know, I worry about our ability to cover.. Anderson doesn't impress me much, but he's fine if the weakest link and I rather see a future replacement on the field who can cover if TD can't stay healthy all season.. aside from Beason.

With the defense we play now only one linebacker blitzes rarely, the Will. Beason, who is our best cover LB would fit that role. Anderson would be the SLB and, ideally, you would put a bigger, stronger guy in the middle because their role is to plug the middle in run support and blitz most of the time in passing downs.

Actually with a guy like Hightower you can create sheer havoc in the interior and your ends can chase them down, giving opposing QBs less time to go through their progressions. We didn't really bring in any linebacker with that skill set last offseason.

Edit: also he's a really really good tackler, and if you watched our defense last year they were collectively terrible at it

[panthers55]

But we're talking about college numbers. 55 feels like Kuechly is a better prospect then Pat Willis because he had better production in college. Not Speed, Size, or athletic ability. So in that case Lattner should have been better then Tim Duncan because he had better college numbers.

I already shoowed you the numbers. Kuechly is every bit as fast. productive and athletic as Willis but since you need refreshing, here they are.

Willis- 6'1" 242lbs

40 time- 4.51, 3 cone 7.23, 20 yard shuttle-4.46, BJ-119, VJ-39, BP-22

Kuechly- 6'2" 242

40 time- 4.59, 3 cone-6.92, 20 yard shuttle-4.12, BJ-123, VJ-38, BP-27

Once again, he out produced him in college by alot and his combine numbers are generally better. Other than 8 hundreds of a second slower in the 40, the cone drlls show he is quicker, more agile, more athletic and stronger than Willis was coming out of college. Where was Willis taken?? Oh yeah, at 11 so Kuechly at 9 would be a huge stretch..........

55 is right as usual and has the facts to back it up.

[Panthro]

His 2.5 career sacks bodes well for a position that blitzes 65% of the time

Lol stats

[panthers55]

Scardraft says approximately 65% of the time on passing downs

you really need a physical linebacker to play the middle to do this defense right. Luke's never blitzed that much in college. It wouldn't be a great fit unless you as a scout think he can adapt to that role.

Why couldn't he. He is faster, stronger and more instinctual than Beason. Plus if Demeco Ryans is right, he said his achilles won't ever be the same. His production dipped in half this year after coming back from achilles surgery.

[Woodie]

1.That what he said and I'm prone to trust him and beleive that he will be ready when the season starts.

2. It is no different both are coming off season ending injuries. Both can get hurt again. If you feel like Ron is not ? coming back from injuries and Beason is that is just your opinion. I choose to feel like both can either be ? or safe picks to be healthy.

I don't disagree that Beason will probably be ready by the time the season starts, I'm just not confident he will be his old self...at least not until we get to the tail end of the year. After all, I remember the announcers saying during the Texans game that DeMeco Ryans was just starting to resemble the player he used to be, and that was fairly late in the season.

And while both are coming back from season ending injuries, they are completely different situations. All season ending injuries are not created equal. And as P55 has said, it is much easier to recover from muscular injuries than ones involving tendons or ligaments. And I was just pointing out that Edwards said he is pretty much recovered and done with rehab, while Beason basically said that he is still in the middle of his.

[panthers55]

His 2.5 career sacks bodes well for a position that blitzes 65% of the time

Lol stats

I agree. Just imagine if he was actually asked to blitz very often.

[frash.exe]

Why couldn't he. He is faster, stronger and more instinctual than Beason. Plus if Demeco Ryans is right, he said his achilles won't ever be the same. His production dipped in half this year after coming back from achilles surgery.

Beason, IMO is too undersized to play JJ's MLB, and that's okay. He'd do better playing OLB in this defense.

But the question is not whether Keuchly is a better fit there than Beason but compared to his peers. Doesn't Hightower remind you more of Trotter than Keuchly?

More specifically, lets say we addressed the DT position in the first and picked up Hightower in the 2nd, wouldn't that help us fix our deficiencies there?

[koolkatluke]

I already shoowed you the numbers. Kuechly is every bit as fast. productive and athletic as Willis but since you need refreshing, here they are.

Willis- 6'1" 242lbs

40 time- 4.51, 3 cone 7.23, 20 yard shuttle-4.46, BJ-119, VJ-39, BP-22

Kuechly- 6'2" 242

40 time- 4.59, 3 cone-6.92, 20 yard shuttle-4.12, BJ-123, VJ-38, BP-27

Once again, he out produced him in college by alot and his combine numbers are generally better. Other than 8 hundreds of a second slower in the 40, the cone drlls show he is quicker, more agile, more athletic and stronger than Willis was coming out of college. Where was Willis taken?? Oh yeah, at 11 so Kuechly at 9 would be a huge stretch..........

55 is right as usual and has the facts to back it up.

and

Aaron Curry- 6'3 246

2009 NFL Combine Results

40-Yard Dash

4.56

Bench press

25

Vertical jump

37.0

Broad jump

10'4

60-yard shuttle

11.35

He also had better college # then willis and just as good even Combine # but once again 55 your so right about only using stats that help your argument.

[Panthro]

Watch out they hate the Aaron Curry comparison