If you want a DT in the draft,read this and then tell me why you do

[carpanfan96]

"capable"

"nice players"

"effective starters"

These are the kinds of players some of Panther Nation wants at arguably the second most important position on the field.

Yes, because there's only a few DT's in the NFL that are superstars or really amazing players. So for me effective starter and nice player is a really good NFL DT. Kearse has tons of potential, just needs to put it all together. McClain has the potential to develop into a very disruptive force playing the 3 tech. On top of that, I don't think Brockers, Poe or Cox have superstar or amazing DT written on them as a pick. I wasn't impressed with either Poe or Brocker's game tape and felt like what I saw from both of them game wise was overly unimpressive. I wouldn't draft Cox at 9, but he'd be the first one of the three that I'd select. Sorry but none of the above 3 players are worth a top 15 pick, much less a top 10 pick. (There's a few NFL scouts that agree on this as well)

[Cat'sGrowl]

Yes, because there's only a few DT's in the NFL that are superstars or really amazing players.

Not only is this false, you'll also notice that those teams who do have great DT's have great defenses

So for me effective starter and nice player is a really good NFL DT. Kearse has tons of potential, just needs to put it all together. McClain has the potential to develop into a very disruptive force playing the 3 tech.

lol

On top of that, I don't think Brockers, Poe or Cox have superstar or amazing DT written on them as a pick.

A. Your opinion doesn't matter. If scouts have DT's in this class rated high, that trumps your "zomg! none of these guys are Suh!!

B. The draft isn't the only means of acquiring a DT.

I wasn't impressed with either Poe or Brocker's game tape and felt like what I saw from both of them game wise was overly unimpressive. I wouldn't draft Cox at 9, but he'd be the first one of the three that I'd select.

You have never watched a single down of NFL game tape.

Sorry but none of the above 3 players are worth a top 15 pick, much less a top 10 pick. (There's a few NFL scouts that agree on this as well)

jimmysdraftniksandcheesediprecipes.com doesn't count as "NFL scouting"

[carpanfan96]

Not only is this false, you'll also notice that those teams who do have great DT's have great defenses

Not all great DT's = great defenses though and not all great defenses have a great DT, so your own argument fails here.

lol

lol

A. Your opinion doesn't matter. If scouts have DT's in this class rated high, that trumps your "zomg! none of these guys are Suh!!

Never said it did matter, but neither does yours for that matter.

B. The draft isn't the only means of acquiring a DT.

Never said anything about it being the only way of getting one, I was just talking about the ones in the draft.

You have never watched a single down of NFL game tape.

I also didn't say anything about NFL game tape, learn to read.

jimmysdraftniksandcheesediprecipes.com doesn't count as "NFL scouting"

It wasn't at your poor attempt at humor website scouting service, it was an actual NFL scout. A few of them to be exact, you know ones that actually work for NFL teams. You know what the NFL is, right??? You know the difference between the NFL and NCAA right??

Next time, why don't you actually come up with an actual argument instead of attacking me and showing your overall lack of intelligence.

[Disinfranchised]

If the defensive problems are not fixed, the 2012 season will be exactly like the 2011 season.

[Snake]

I just hope we sign one or both in FA so we are not reaching again in the draft. To be honest we need better play out of both CB and DT cause if your stout in one and horrible at the other it does not really matter cause teams will exploit your weakness.

[panthers55]

The best argument for not taking a DT in the draft would be that at number 9 you want an impact player and it is hard to see where any of the DTs in this draft will be good enough to start immediately. Most of the time corners take a year or two to really get good as well although you could argue that there are a few guys like Claiborne or Kirpatrick or Jenkins who could be in the mix right away. (still would avoid Jenkins as he is a big risk for a number 9 pick based on off the field issues- aka pacman jones). After last year and the disaster we had at linebacker and the uncertainty this year that everyone would come back healthy, I think that the BPA at nine when we pick will likely be Kuechly unless someone like Claiborne drops which he won't. Kirpatrick is also interesting because of his size but has some issues as well.

[Cat'sGrowl]

Not all great DT's = great defenses though and not all great defenses have a great DT, so your own argument fails here.

Oh so you're one of those "we should just get as much talent as possible at every other position on the defense to mask our deficiency there rather than benfitting from the domino effect of having an elite DT."

Oh, yeah, btw. The top five defenses in football this year all have a marquee DT starting for them.

Never said it did matter, but neither does yours for that matter.

Except that I have an army of scouts, coaches, analysts, draftniks and Huddlers and so on and so on and so on and so on that agree with me.

I also didn't say anything about NFL game tape, learn to read.

Aw, you're right bro my bad.

"You've never watched a down of game tape period,"

There we go. All better.

It wasn't at your poor attempt at humor website scouting service, it was an actual NFL scout.

Which you have yet to verify. And, oh yeah, we've listed numerous scouts on this website lauding the DT's this year..ssooooo...

Next time, why don't you actually come up with an actual argument instead of attacking me and showing your overall lack of intelligence.

[Ruff]

The whole "there's no Suh in this draft, we don't need a DT" argument is really, really dumb. No one said that Suh is in this draft, hell, players that dominate their position like Suh does only come around once ever five+ years, so of course there's not going to be anyone like that at DT in this draft.

What if, every time an NBA team was getting ready to draft a SG, their GM went, nah... We don't need him. There's not a Michael Jordan or Kobe Bryant in this draft. The argument is pointless and stupid.

As proven by Fiz and RagingBull, both, in this thread, we have an incredibly pressing need for a DT. Does that mean CB is not an issue? Uh, no. Does that mean that Safety or Linebacker isn't an issue? Uh, no. So whether or not there's a "Suh" in this draft, we need a DT. And if the Panthers' scouts think that they could find a starter/Pro Bowl type DT, then that trumps anyones, "BUT HE'S NOT A SUH!"

[Snake]

The best argument for not taking a DT in the draft would be that at number 9 you want an impact player and it is hard to see where any of the DTs in this draft will be good enough to start immediately. Most of the time corners take a year or two to really get good as well although you could argue that there are a few guys like Claiborne or Kirpatrick or Jenkins who could be in the mix right away. (still would avoid Jenkins as he is a big risk for a number 9 pick based on off the field issues- aka pacman jones). After last year and the disaster we had at linebacker and the uncertainty this year that everyone would come back healthy, I think that the BPA at nine when we pick will likely be Kuechly unless someone like Claiborne drops which he won't. Kirpatrick is also interesting because of his size but has some issues as well.

The biggest argument is that most of the top DTs in this draft don't have the production to back up there athletic ability. I still say when we pick CB will be the choice just like last year when everyone was screaming for DT and only a few of us were saying Newton.

[panthers55]

The whole "there's no Suh in this draft, we don't need a DT" argument is really, really dumb. No one said that Suh is in this draft, hell, players that dominate their position like Suh does only come around once ever five+ years, so of course there's not going to be anyone like that at DT in this draft.

What if, every time an NBA team was getting ready to draft a SG, their GM went, nah... We don't need him. There's not a Michael Jordan or Kobe Bryant in this draft. The argument is pointless and stupid.

As proven by Fiz and RagingBull, both, in this thread, we have an incredibly pressing need for a DT. Does that mean CB is not an issue? Uh, no. Does that mean that Safety or Linebacker isn't an issue? Uh, no. So whether or not there's a "Suh" in this draft, we need a DT. And if the Panthers' scouts think that they could find a starter/Pro Bowl type DT, then that trumps anyones, "BUT HE'S NOT A SUH!"

I think the issue is whether there is a DT who gives us better value at number 9 compared with other positions we could draft. If we don't take a player until number 41, will that person be better than who we have on staff already given we have 2 third rounders from last year who do have a year of experience under their belt.

The other issue is that since some positions such as DE/Corner cost more in FA than others such as DT, where would you look to pick someone up.

I would agree that you have to find the best guy available and not compare him to someone from previous drafts. Still that doesn't mean that DT should be our pick although it surely could be.

[panthers55]

The biggest argument is that most of the top DTs in this draft don't have the production to back up there athletic ability. I still say when we pick CB will be the choice just like last year when everyone was screaming for DT and only a few of us were saying Newton.

We definitely need a CB, the question is only whether it is our biggest need like QB was last year and whether there is an incredible talent available like there was last year in Newton. I suspect if Claiborne dropped to us, we would take him as the BPA. I doubt he is there. The issue last year was that many people couldn't see through the trash to know how great Newton would be while a few of us did.

[KillerKat]

I don't think that DT is the biggest need for a few reasons.

How long it takes to develop in the NFL as a DT is the major one, also I really like Kearse and McClain and think they will end up developing nicely into really effective starters.

My other reason is that I don't see a DT in the draft worth a top ten pick.

Your argument however was horrible and is based off of cherry picked data and games involving other teams that run completely different defenses. If you wanted intelligent answers you should have put more thought into your original post and posted some stats that actually have a bearing on whether the Panther's need a DT or not.

Was going to make a post saying exactly that.

[top dawg]

So, some of us would rather have apples, and some of us would rather have oranges. We are really not talking lemons here. We are really discussing a bowl of fruit that may not be ripe yet. Add a a good orange and/or apple to the bowl, and eventually it will help to ripen the whole bowl (literally). This is not a case of the chicken or the egg.

[Snake]

We definitely need a CB, the question is only whether it is our biggest need like QB was last year and whether there is an incredible talent available like there was last year in Newton. I suspect if Claiborne dropped to us, we would take him as the BPA. I doubt he is there. The issue last year was that many people couldn't see through the trash to know how great Newton would be while a few of us did.

Kirkpatrick and Claiborne are both proven CBs that will make an impact. No matter how much I want to tell myself otherwise no DT has a proven track record this year. Im not looking for Suh but I would at least like some soild production numbers. Besides even Fua and McClain were not as bad at stoping the run as Capt. was in pass coverage for this team. Im willing to wait another year to see what our young DTs can prove but I already know no matter how many years under his belt he gets Capt. want be a good option for CB2.