my first Mock Draft with possibly "trades"

[carolina-chuck]

The Pro Bowl doesn't mean anything anymore... lol

I'd take Nicks, Yanda, Iupati, or Evans before any other guard in the NFL.

Iupati is a first rounder, nicks played infront of brees , a qb who needed 3 seconds to throw the ball, yanda played with a great oline freeing lanes for a player name "ray rice", evans? howd he get up there is crazy

[koolkatluke]

Originally Posted by koolkatluke View Post

i agree with most of your post but if the fo does it job like it did with cam and choose jenkins then i have no problem with the pick. i totally understand everything you say and wish i had the faith you do. You could be right on all counts. I think you have to trust them. Hogan was a risk, and he is doing ok so far. However, cam was never on drugs, and that scares me. Put a bunch of money in his hand....right now he is trying to save face and get picked high--he has an agent coaching him on what to say....i assume, of course. The draft is risky enough.

i don't want kuechly unless beason is lying and won't be stronger then he was. But beason has been on the radio a few times and said he is well on his way back stronger then ever. this is the first i have heard of this. Even so, kuechly could play wlb should davis not pull off a miracle, which is what it would be. Beason is the eternal optimist, so be careful hanging on his words--that is why we love him--never say quit attitute.

i don't want martin because i just don't want to pick a olinemen when our defense was so bad last year.

he is actually dropping on many mocks. I saw him in the second round for the first time--going to someone like tennessee in another.

ingram intrest me. He could be like a new era lt. He can rush from the edge the middle and drop back in coverage. But i see him being better in a team that runs a base 3-4.

as a gamecock fan, i love him. A good creative dc would turn him into a stud. A bad one would ruin him. Here, rr would turn him loose. Good call.

but i agree i'd rather get a dlinemen in the 1st round and a cb in the 2nd.i really am liking some second round cbs. Chase minnifield is my choice, but there are several who can upgrade us. I also liked what i saw in harrison smith at fs.

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you and i didnt even see hogan played but maybe 8 snaps the whole entire season and you said you can judge him that he played well already? kiddin me right?

Ingram seems to me like the next Brandon Graham Michigan. same body type and supposed to be an amazing pass rusher. nothing happens. too small. he will be great in a 3-4 like Pittsburgh but not playing end in a 43. see what happens to everette brown. too short.

i dont see us taking a safety in first or second at all unless barron fall to us and by drafting him as bpa. theres plenty of safety that should be in the fourth

1. That's why I want a high pick CB in this draft because we have no clue about Hogan. But we do know that Capt and Butler shouldn't be starting.

2. You're wrong about Ingram. I think Ingram faster then Graham played against better competition and shined. He can play DT, OLB, and DE. With a good DC he will be a monster moving him all over the field.

3. I agree with the safety part. I'd rather have a vet safety instead of another young safety. A vet safety will help Martin , Godfrey, and the defense more then a young safety.

[koolkatluke]

lol you did your job, but still really? most of those guards i havent even heard and i bet you haven't even heard of them before. they're not even close to being in the same level as mine (1st and 2nd) rounders. how many of those are pro bowlers. they're average guards. that ranking was based solely on last year performance alone. once a team is winning, making the playoffs (detriot, houston, buffalo started out winning) all they're players are getting recognition for no reason. evan mathis is a top three guard? would you take mathis over even "davin joseph" ? hek no . detroit couldnt even run the ball at all, and they have both guards up there bc stafford had a good year.

Their is a reason why you don't know these players which makes my point for me. They are in the same level because they are on this list. If they weren't they wouldn't be on this list look at the link.

Look thru history most of your top Guards are later round picks. I know it hurts to be wrong but you can't argue with facts.

[carolina-chuck]

1. That's why I want a high pick CB in this draft because we have no clue about Hogan. But we do know that Capt and Butler shouldn't be starting.

2. You're wrong about Ingram. I think Ingram faster then Graham played against better competition and shined. He can play DT, OLB, and DE. With a good DC he will be a monster moving him all over the field.

3. I agree with the safety part. I'd rather have a vet safety instead of another young safety. A vet safety will help Martin , Godfrey, and the defense more then a young safety.

i dont see claiborne fallin to ninth. hed be taken by rams if they trade down with cleveland, or the bucs. the only corner i see us taking at ninth is claiborne. not jenkins or kirk. i like kirk , tall lengthy player but not eye opening. thats why if we could trade to like 17th with bengals, theres no reason not to draft jenkins. i believe thats his range where hell be taken. (cowboys, titans, bengals) will take him . jenkins is crazy but look at cormartie. jst as many kids, but maybe once jenkins is in the nfl hell become more mature know he have kids to take care of like cromartie. most nfl players come in immature and ends it maturely.

(looks) i just noticed this recently, not trying to offend anyone. i am no way racism or prejudice. but most nfl players come into this league with long braided, dreaded hairs. by the toward the end of career. most of them cut their hairs or shave it. (ie. smitty)

i believe jenkins could mature. hes not as stupid as pac man jones. everyone wants to play with cam. and cam is all about winning . put jenkins on smitty everyday at practice and hell mature. maybe couple bruise nose here an there from smitty but hell mature quickly lol

[koolkatluke]

The Pro Bowl doesn't mean anything anymore... lol

I'd take Nicks, Yanda, Iupati, or Evans before any other guard in the NFL.

3 of those guys were 3rd or later round picks.

[carolina-chuck]

Their is a reason why you don't know these players which makes my point for me. They are in the same level because they are on this list. If they weren't they wouldn't be on this list look at the link.

Look thru history most of your top Guards are later round picks. I know it hurts to be wrong but you can't argue with facts.

so you telling me that 1st and 2nd rounders are not as good and worth taking at that spot when you need a huge need for it. it hurts for you to also know that you're wrong. plain and simple if you need ol help, you take it in the first / second. theres no need taking it later. you and i both are not wrong nor right.

[carolina-chuck]

3 of those guys were 3rd or later round picks.

this is the same like saying take a qb later . bc brady was in the 7th, yates was a 5, mallet was a 4th last year. and you could get guys like warner. right? no if you're lucky , you're lucky. you think the saints said we're gonna take nicks n evans that late bc we knew that they would be that good. if saints knew both of them would be that great. they wouldve taken both of them in the first second rounds. sometimes you hit gold late but every teams go into the draft with the mentality of tryin to hit golds and their needs in the first two three rounds

[koolkatluke]

so you telling me that 1st and 2nd rounders are not as good and worth taking at that spot when you need a huge need for it. it hurts for you to also know that you're wrong. plain and simple if you need ol help, you take it in the first / second. theres no need taking it later. you and i both are not wrong nor right.

Yeah they can be good if it's a team "need'. But when you have 5-6 guys who are in competition for those spots and you sucked on defense no.

[koolkatluke]

this is the same like saying take a qb later . bc brady was in the 7th, yates was a 5, mallet was a 4th last year. and you could get guys like warner. right? no if you're lucky , you're lucky. you think the saints said we're gonna take nicks n evans that late bc we knew that they would be that good. if saints knew both of them would be that great. they wouldve taken both of them in the first second rounds. sometimes you hit gold late but every teams go into the draft with the mentality of tryin to hit golds and their needs in the first two three rounds

Yeah that might work if you can name 10-15 QB who were later round picks and did good. Or Better yet if you can name more great Later round QB then you can name Great 1st and 2nd round (really just 1st) QB.

In both cases I can do that with Guards can you with QB?

If not then this was a flawed argument you tried to use.

[carolina-chuck]

Yeah that might work if you can name 10-15 QB who were later round picks and did good. Or Better yet if you can name more great Later round QB then you can name Great 1st and 2nd round (really just 1st) QB.

In both cases I can do that with Guards can you with QB?

If not then this was a flawed argument you tried to use.

it doesnt matter. you tryin an easy way out to get out of this argument which first you started. now i prove my reasons and you still cant understand due to i dont know what.

if you were a gm and have needs on oline also to help protect your franchise qb in cam. and decastro just fell into the second. would you not take him. or would you say ill take some other dude from a smaller school in the 5th bc the saints did that. thats bullsh*t

[koolkatluke]

it doesnt matter. you tryin an easy way out to get out of this argument which first you started. now i prove my reasons and you still cant understand due to i dont know what.

if you were a gm and have needs on oline also to help protect your franchise qb in cam. and decastro just fell into the second. would you not take him. or would you say ill take some other dude from a smaller school in the 5th bc the saints did that. thats bullsh*t

1. Oh it does matter Homeboy. You tried to compare getting a late Round QB to getting late round Guards.

Fact is thru out this thread I've already shown you Their are alot more Late Round good and Great Guards then their are 1st and 2nd round good and great guards. Then you (trying to be smart) Brought up late round QBs to void my point. But since there are way More 1st and 2nd Round good or great QB then their are Good or Great Later round Qbs it blew up in your face.

Point is we don't have needs or atleast urgent needs at oline. JMO

[carolina-chuck]

1. Oh it does matter Homeboy. You tried to compare getting a late Round QB to getting late round Guards.

Fact is thru out this thread I've already shown you Their are alot more Late Round good and Great Guards then their are 1st and 2nd round good and great guards. Then you (trying to be smart) Brought up late round QBs to void my point. But since there are way More 1st and 2nd Round good or great QB then their are Good or Great Later round Qbs it blew up in your face.

Point is we don't have needs or atleast urgent needs at oline. JMO

speaking to you is like speaking with a damn wall . be mature about it and quit callin people "homeboy" . grow up. i would atleast think you were a grown up. we dont need ol help at all but many many experts were at one time having us take rieff at ninth huh.

[carolina-chuck]

if theres a hutchinson in the fist or second then im going to take.

how sure would you knoe theres going to be a nicks in the 5th or 6th?

picking those late rounds are like closing your eyes and grabbing what you can.

we picked many guards in many years in late rounds. how many of those are starting on our line right now? you tell me since you think you're psychic and know whos an evans or nicks in the later rds

[MHS831]

if theres a hutchinson in the fist or second then im going to take.

how sure would you knoe theres going to be a nicks in the 5th or 6th?

picking those late rounds are like closing your eyes and grabbing what you can.

we picked many guards in many years in late rounds. how many of those are starting on our line right now? you tell me since you think you're psychic and know whos an evans or nicks in the later rds

The way I see it, picking later in the draft should be on guys like Hardy--tons of upside with some reason they fell- small school, injury history, or even baggage. The closest thing this draft has to Nicks is probably Cordy Glenn. He won't be there in the fifth.

I can say that people who de-emphasize the importance of guards (like Marty Hurney) need to change the way they think. The weakness we had at G last year caused teams to stunt and blitz up the middle. Cam needs to step up. He was flushed from the pocket too often. Many of his interceptions were due to middle pressure, causing him to throw high and off his back foot.

New Orleans knows that G is more important for Brees than T. Brees is short, so he needs no pressure in his face.

I think, however, the problem on the OL is at T. Gross is getting old; Otah is a 330 pounder with bad knees and back. He is done after this year, even if healthy, because we should not pay him a big contract. Bell and Schwartz should be the guards, with Garry Williams in the mix.