Janoris Jenkis IS a possiblity for us?

[panthers55]

http://blogs.palmbeachpost.com/gatorbytes/2012/02/26/terry-bowden-says-cb-janoris-jenkins-was-trouble-free-passed-drug-tests-at-north-alabama/

At least do some reseach before making such strong indictments.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2012/writers/don_banks/02/29/combine.awards/index.html#ixzz1nsKudlPp

I have said it before and this confirms what I have been saying. He is well aware of his checkered past at Florida and has grown up from it. I love how he acknowledge's his past mistakes and learned from them. It would be nice if is history was as clean as The Golden Calf of Bristol's but its not. Thing is he knows he made mistakes and knows why and seems poised to be a better man. He is rehabilitated and I don't know what else he has to do prove it. If he did'nt have superb talent then he would not even be worth this conversation. However he is elite and a proven hard worker on the field. He is now also a proven good citzen off the field.

Then to say the draft is deep and we can wait til round 4 or later is crazy. Munnerlyn was the worst starter on our D, last year hands down. We have to fix that and the best way to do that is take a talent like Jenkins when you can.

Blame Meeks if you want for Hogan doing nothing special but thats silly, since he didnt see the field until late because of injury. Can't use that same approach for Munnerlyn, he's had other secondary coaches. Counting on Hogan would be a big mistake in my opinion. I am not writing the guy off but at the same time 2nd corner position is way too important to just pencil him in.

I am glad he is saying all the right things and admitting his past mistakes. That is the first step to truly changing and becoming the person he wants to be and the person he needs to be. I would hold off on saying he was rehabilitated just yet though. Sitting down at the combine and telling everyone what they want to hear is one thing but living it is quite another. The NFL bloodhounds are supposedly the best. If they dig around and find little to nothing else, then that is good enough for me.

It still doesn't address the issue of whether he will be the best guy in our scheme which is more zone than man. I saw Samuels who is a seasoned vet change systems last year and frankly struggle. I admit to some ignorance with some of the picks. Can he play zone and would he still be the best in our system. And please use some expert opinions instead of your own feelings like the above poster unlees you are in fact a professional scout or analyst.

[panther4life]

I am glad he is saying all the right things and admitting his past mistakes. That is the first step to truly changing and becoming the person he wants to be and the person he needs to be. I would hold off on saying he was rehabilitated just yet though. Sitting down at the combine and telling everyone what they want to hear is one thing but living it is quite another. The NFL bloodhounds are supposedly the best. If they dig around and find little to nothing else, then that is good enough for me.

It still doesn't address the issue of whether he will be the best guy in our scheme which is more zone than man. I saw Samuels who is a seasoned vet change systems last year and frankly struggle. I admit to some ignorance with some of the picks. Can he play zone and would he still be the best in our system. And please use some expert opinions instead of your own feelings like the above poster unlees you are in fact a professional scout or analyst.

I have never claimed to be more than a fan who does extensive research(google search madness and youtube highlight clips) but thats all I have or any other person on here has to base their opinions off of, so therefore thats what I do. The only person to have ever claimed to be some sort of insider or have insider access was laughed off the board. I am not perfect in my assessments but I do the best I can and speak on behalf of research rather than what I am feeling at the moment. There are times where I feel firm about my position but am always willing to be reasoned out of it, otherwise I would not waste anytime on here.

I am as quick to rep you(you should realize this by now and others can atest to it) or anyone else who makes a strong case for their assesment's and opinions but at the same time I am quick to to call them out if I feel they are making strong statements with no factual or even reasonable basis.

Not calling out anyone,nor do I care to go back and look at who specifically does it but many on here seem to jump to conclusions about players, needs,and countless other things and fail to admit they made a bad judgement or statement when proven wrong. They also tend to hold grudges if someone disagrees with them,and thats pretty fuggin stupid. I mentioned it recently in another thread but if we all agreed all the time on everything then this place would be boring as hell. You need differing opinions and insights to spark good converstion. / rant.

[HeatCheck]

THis draft is deep with corners and we have Hogan who was supposedly a first or second rounder who fell because of injury but should be fully recovered. So really there is no need to draft a corner in the first or second round. With bigger needs at DT/DE, linebacker, safety as well as corner, I suspect we will pick one up but we can get good value down the line. I definitely don't see us picking up JJ. It isn't like he made 1 mistake, he has multiple issues and after getting kicked out of Florida kept doing it again. How stupid can you be?

Janoris is better than Hogan and it's really not that close.

And to be honest, if Urban was still coaching UF, Janoris would still have been on the football team. Muschamp is a hard ass. Not condoning what he did but we wouldn't hear nearly as much about his character concerns. Still would have heard about them, just not to this extent.

The kids thing is really more worrisome than the weed because they aren't going away. Jenkins has admitted that he is past the weed and that he was just hanging around the wrong crowd.

[panther4life]

Example 1A in favor of your argument:

The HUGE f*cking smokescreen deployed by the Patriots to con Hurney into trading UP to take frickin' Armanti damn Edwards.

UHH, the smokescreen would have had to come from a team picking after the Pats right?? The way I see it is if the Pats thought he was the guy and wanted him then a trade never would have happened.

[rayzor]

It still doesn't address the issue of whether he will be the best guy in our scheme which is more zone than man.

i know that the jim johnson 4-3 is typically a zone D, but i don't see rivera strictly adhering to that. gamble was much of the time told to shadow the #1 receiver. i think we play more man coverage than people think. with the addition of wilks i think we'll see it more. rivera is putting his own stamp on it much in the same way that chud is putting his stamp on the norv turner version of the coryell.

just my perception of it, though.

[rayzor]

http://blogs.palmbeachpost.com/gatorbytes/2012/02/26/terry-bowden-says-cb-janoris-jenkins-was-trouble-free-passed-drug-tests-at-north-alabama/

At least do some reseach before making such strong indictments.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2012/writers/don_banks/02/29/combine.awards/index.html#ixzz1nsKudlPp

I have said it before and this confirms what I have been saying. He is well aware of his checkered past at Florida and has grown up from it. I love how he acknowledge's his past mistakes and learned from them. It would be nice if is history was as clean as The Golden Calf of Bristol's but its not. Thing is he knows he made mistakes and knows why and seems poised to be a better man. He is rehabilitated and I don't know what else he has to do prove it. If he did'nt have superb talent then he would not even be worth this conversation. However he is elite and a proven hard worker on the field. He is now also a proven good citzen off the field.

Then to say the draft is deep and we can wait til round 4 or later is crazy. Munnerlyn was the worst starter on our D, last year hands down. We have to fix that and the best way to do that is take a talent like Jenkins when you can.

good post.

reminds me of the discussion about this other guy that had problems as a gator that ended up essentially getting forced out of school to move to a small school where he cleaned up himself and got things in order contrary to prevalent opinions that he's still the same "thug" he was a couple years earlier.

sometimes guys hit the bottom and then get themselves cleaned up and take themselves and their futures more seriously. i think this is the case for jenkins.

[MHS831]

I see what everyone is saying about Jenkins and I see the talent, but Hurney is pretty safe when he drafts in the first round. Character has always been an issue, as it was for Cam (they checked him out thoroughly), Beason, Davis, Gross, Stewart, etc. With so many other needs, it seems out of character for us to take a player who has NOT yet proven a thing about his off the field behavior. Hey, I want his talent badly, but I am saying we will not take him. I was shocked with Hogan last year and he was a 4th rounder and a choir boy beside JJ.

[panthers55]

I have never claimed to be more than a fan who does extensive research(google search madness and youtube highlight clips) but thats all I have or any other person on here has to base their opinions off of, so therefore thats what I do. The only person to have ever claimed to be some sort of insider or have insider access was laughed off the board. I am not perfect in my assessments but I do the best I can and speak on behalf of research rather than what I am feeling at the moment. There are times where I feel firm about my position but am always willing to be reasoned out of it, otherwise I would not waste anytime on here.

I am as quick to rep you(you should realize this by now and others can atest to it) or anyone else who makes a strong case for their assesment's and opinions but at the same time I am quick to to call them out if I feel they are making strong statements with no factual or even reasonable basis.

Not calling out anyone,nor do I care to go back and look at who specifically does it but many on here seem to jump to conclusions about players, needs,and countless other things and fail to admit they made a bad judgement or statement when proven wrong. They also tend to hold grudges if someone disagrees with them,and thats pretty fuggin stupid. I mentioned it recently in another thread but if we all agreed all the time on everything then this place would be boring as hell. You need differing opinions and insights to spark good converstion. / rant.

I think you mistook what I said. When I was mentioning you as the above poster I was acknowledging that you did use some research to back up your point. I must have not been clear. Sorry....

[panthers55]

i know that the jim johnson 4-3 is typically a zone D, but i don't see rivera strictly adhering to that. gamble was much of the time told to shadow the #1 receiver. i think we play more man coverage than people think. with the addition of wilks i think we'll see it more. rivera is putting his own stamp on it much in the same way that chud is putting his stamp on the norv turner version of the coryell.

just my perception of it, though.

Rivera played zone in Chicago and San Diego. As I said earlier, we will play a zone base defense. If he tells Gamble to man up against a particular receiver and everyone else play zone, then it is still a zone shell with one guy playing man. We do that often with the slot receiver and the nickel corner as well. But that doesn't change that we are in a base zone defense.

[panthers55]

Janoris is better than Hogan and it's really not that close.

And to be honest, if Urban was still coaching UF, Janoris would still have been on the football team. Muschamp is a hard ass. Not condoning what he did but we wouldn't hear nearly as much about his character concerns. Still would have heard about them, just not to this extent.

The kids thing is really more worrisome than the weed because they aren't going away. Jenkins has admitted that he is past the weed and that he was just hanging around the wrong crowd.

Again the issue is not whether Jenkins can play man coverage, the issue is whether he can play zone coverage better than Hogan.

Secondly, you really think that Muschamp is a hardass for kicking a guy off the team after multiple convictions for illegal drugs. And those were just the things he was arrested for doing. At least Cam was never arrested for anything.

[HeatCheck]

I am not comparing Cam to Jenkins.

But knowing Meyer, Jenkins would have been suspend but likely would have remained on the team.

Jenkins can play zone. He is the top cover (man and zone considered) in this draft. I will say his biggest weakness is that he gambles a lot on tackles. But yes, man coverage is definitely his forte, over zone.

[panthers55]

Personally I wouldn't give up on Hogan yet, particularly in zone coverage.

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/1272361

Strengths: Prototypical heady zone corner who attacks plays in front of him, allowing few yards after the catch. Quickly gets off his initial coverage to pick up short outs, but is still capable of going back to help his safety on deep outs. Does not give back down from any challenge on the outside. Quick, smooth backpedal, keeps some cushion between him and receiver until the route unveils itself. Watches for double moves and has the speed to stay with them. Aggressive in run support, reads and beats receiver blocks and flows downhill to the ball. Delivers a big enough hit to dislodge the ball from receivers if they have not yet secured the catch. Will undercut throws to intercept them if the quarterback does not look him off or is not on the money in tight quarters. Looks to make things happen after the interception, elusive runner in space. Very strong tackler for his size, will bring down big receivers by wrapping and churning his legs, not just chopping them down (though he's very effective as a cut tackler). Instinctual player willing to work on his game on the field and in the film room. Good punt return skills: owns solid hands, makes first defender miss with a quick move and can get the corner. Played through biceps injury most of 2010. Weaknesses: Loses discipline at times, biting hard and taking direct angles to the ball without regard to his assignment on the play. His lack of height will hurt him downfield at the next level. Gets beat for big plays when trying to bait the quarterback downfield or sitting on short routes. Lacks great strength and height to outmuscle NFL receivers for the ball in the air. Great speed to recover if beaten, but over-aggressiveness and lack of size sometimes make it difficult to get back to his man in time to prevent a big play. Dances and runs backward too often on punt returns.

[cyoung4540]

I dont think that drafting Jenkins means that your giving up on Hogan and if Hogan pans out and Jenkins could stay clean that would give us three corners that are capable of playing great pass D just imagine the blitz packages that we would be able to use if that were the case. Our pass rush would be amazing.

[panthers55]

I dont think that drafting Jenkins means that your giving up on Hogan and if Hogan pans out and Jenkins could stay clean that would give us three corners that are capable of playing great pass D just imagine the blitz packages that we would be able to use if that were the case. Our pass rush would be amazing.

Just one problem with that. Blitzing comes from linebackers most of the time. If Davis doesn't come back or Beason has a set back and Connor leaves in free agency who exactly is left? Dillard, Phillips, Gaither, Senn, Williams and Anderson. Less than thrilling group.