Brockers=overrated?

[CRA]

Poe, or any other DT projected to go at the top of the first, will play considerably better than any rookie DT we had on the roster last year, and since DT is the "root" position of the defensive side of the ball, it can be assumed the defense as whole will be positively affected by this.

To say that he wouldn't is just silly. We might as well just draft Geoff Schwartz with our first if round is no indicator of value, to imply that it isn't is just, as said, silly.

You are building him into something he isn't.

If Poe was asked to start week 1, with no offseason, play next another rookie DT....he would flat out suck. Again, we are talking about a kid that didn't produce or dominate in C-USA.

If Poe was put in there scenario-he would have sucked too.

Poe has never shown to be the type player his combine suggests...you are creating a player in your head that doesn't exist right now.

[Actionman0z]

Poe, or any other DT projected to go at the top of the first, will play considerably better than any rookie DT we had on the roster last year, and since DT is the "root" position of the defensive side of the ball, it can be assumed the defense as whole will be positively affected by this.

To say that he wouldn't is just silly. We might as well just draft Geoff Schwartz with our first if round is no indicator of value, to imply that it isn't is just, as said, silly.

But, the problem with your statement is, that those players are not improving, and throwing someone in that has no experience at the NFL level does not automatically make our team better. We cannot measure how much improvement those young DT's will show this year.. No DT has show me, on film or at the combine that they could come to Carolina and start for us Day 1.

[Cat'sGrowl]

You are building him into something he isn't.

If Poe was asked to start week 1, with no offseason, play next another rookie DT....he would flat out suck. Again, we are talking about a kid that didn't produce or dominate in C-USA.

If Poe was put in there scenario-he would have sucked too.

Poe has never shown to be the type player his combine suggests...you are creating a player in your head that doesn't exist right now.

I didn't say anything about Poe. You did and I responded in turn.

I am not on the Poe bandwagon. But to imply players who are projected by every NFL executive as top players in the draft this year wouldnt aid this team over players who unquestionably didn't live up to their 3rd round branding would be the exception, not the ruler.

[CRA]

I didn't say anything about Poe. You did and I responded in turn.

I am not on the Poe bandwagon. But to imply players who are projected by every NFL executive as top players in the draft this year wouldnt aid this team over players who unquestionably didn't live up to their 3rd round branding would be the exception, not the ruler.

DTs drafted in the first round usually take time to develop. Raw ones even more so. They would have sucked too if put in the scenario of our 3rd rounders last year.

All I am saying, is some are treating drafting a DT as the end all be all....and it is causing silly stuff to be said here. We don't have to draft a DT or CB at #9

[jtnc]

DTs drafted in the first round usually take time to develop. Raw ones even more so. They would have sucked too if put in the scenario of our 3rd rounders last year.

All I am saying, is some are treating drafting a DT as the end all be all....and it is causing silly stuff to be said here. We don't have to draft a DT or CB at #9

I feel as if we need to give Mcclain and Fua another season, they had no offseason at all. Plus Kalil said he feels that Fua will become a very good player. Plus Kearse, Shirley, and Neblett all showed promise. None of these DT's are worth our pick.

[ed bell]

I feel as if we need to give Mcclain and Fua another season, they had no offseason at all. Plus Kalil said he feels that Fua will become a very good player. Plus Kearse, Shirley, and Neblett all showed promise. None of these DT's are worth our pick.

Judging by some of Rivera's comments at the end of the season, I'm hesitant to believe that we go DT with our 1st pick. If we went with another DT, who's to say we wouldn't end up with another project that needs a couple seasons to grow into a starter? Is that the type of situation that Rivera and Hurney are OK with? I'm not ready to judge McClain or Fua yet either.

[panthers55]

Yes..we do. That's the point.

We know that

A. Rivera wants to blitz the QB, as per his experience with Jim Johnson and the fact that McDermott was on a plane to Charlotte seconds after he was fired from Philly.

B. We want to continue to incorporate more of the 3-4, from Rivera's mouth himself. 34 OLB's are essentially DE's who can rush the passer and maintain coverage on RB's, TE's, etc...

This is the way our defense is being built. Keuchly, as an outside LB, where he isn't even best suited to begin with, would project to a Cover 2 player and be playing out of position, and as the defense continues to be molded in Rivera's watch over the years, out of scheme.

Again go back and learn about Jim Johnson's 4-3 and get back with me. For the record which of the linebackers blitzs the most in his scheme?? That would be the MLB about 60% of the time. What does the SAM do? Cover the TE, make tackles in the run game, play outside zone short, sometimes cover the slot receiver, blitz about 10% of the time. If we go to a 3-4 which we won't then Keuchly would shift to an ILB not an outside linebacker so his blitzing skills and pass rushing skills which you seem to think are such an issue would not be.

He would be a great outside linebacker. Do me favor how doing what I did earlier in this thread, find an expert who agrees with your point of view. All I see is your opinion which has no credibility as all. You clearly don't know Jim Johnson's scheme or how it was played?

[Cat'sGrowl]

DTs drafted in the first round usually take time to develop. Raw ones even more so. They would have sucked too if put in the scenario of our 3rd rounders last year.

All I am saying, is some are treating drafting a DT as the end all be all....and it is causing silly stuff to be said here. We don't have to draft a DT or CB at #9

A. Not all DT's take years to develop. There are prospects at the DT position in this class who can come in and improve this team.

B. Not all rookies are created equal. Fua, and to an extent Mclain, didn't show the progression you expect to see from young players to make. You expect them to show som development and be at least able to hold their own. They didn't, and did nothing to give anyone any faith that they could magically turn it around. Fua could be cut today and I don't think there is a single person who would go "Aw, gee, such potential too.."

Ron Edwards is a 34 year old DT who spent most of his career as an adequate football player. To expect him to come off a year of doing nothing and solve all our woes in what is unquestionably the second most important aspect of any team in the modern NFL-the ability to rush the passer- is more than likely a fairy tale.

It's time for the team to stop throwing crap at the wall in regards to the DL and hoping it sticks and make a serious commitment to building an elite DL.

[Cat'sGrowl]

Cursed iPhone.

[DaCityKats]

every player drafted or not takes time to develop. the best way for them to develop is by playing time. just cause 2 3rd rounders didnt play like expected doesnt mean that will happen to every guy at that spot. a lot of rookies started on the DL or had some playing time last year and still had better numbers and effected the game more than Fua and McClain. hell Kearse had a bigger effect than those 2.

[panthers55]

Judging by some of Rivera's comments at the end of the season, I'm hesitant to believe that we go DT with our 1st pick. If we went with another DT, who's to say we wouldn't end up with another project that needs a couple seasons to grow into a starter? Is that the type of situation that Rivera and Hurney are OK with? I'm not ready to judge McClain or Fua yet either.

I tend to agree with you but if we could find a DT that can penetrate the gaps and rush the passer or collapse the pocket inside, he might be inclined to go that way especially if he thinks that DEs are not that strong in the first round and that he could get the same value in the second round.

[panthers55]

He'd play in the middle for them though. The Eagles also are notorious for not placing a ton of draft value in the LB position.

He would play middle because they don't have a good one not because he couldn't play outside. As for Philly not valuing a LB, that hasn't been true when Johnson was there. Honestly lack of good linebackers have been the reason that their defense has struggled in the past 4 years. That and injuries to the guys they had.

[panthers55]

Rivera isn't a one trick pony. That is why he is such a good defensive mind. Give him time and his D will scheme around his talent.

I am saying we have needs across the board. Top 10, you draft BPA. Factor need in later in the draft.

We have bodies at DT. Young bodies. Adding a raw rookie, will most likely just add someone who shouldn't see the field. We might have something at DT developing already. DT play is a need...reaching with a top 10 draft pick on a raw rookie doesn't sound like a sure fire way to address it.

In the top 10 you draft a BPA at a position of need not just BPA. Other than QB you are getting one of the best two players in that category so you look for a guy who can be an impact player that year or at least the next. What you seem to think is a reach others think is getting the bext player in the draft at that position. When you become a professional analyst then your opinion shold matter over those who are. So far 2 or 3 sites have projected us taking Poe or Kuechly.

[I am Hubby]

IMHO, we should trade our pick to any idiot willing to get us out of the black hole pick #9 has become.

There is no sure thing in this draft. Soooo, trade down and add a pick or two, and build your team a half year quicker.

Blackmon I would take, just cuz I love offense. I hate that BPA crappolla. But I do not see anyone coming to our rescue. We are stuck at 9, and we are going to have to get lucky to not have to eat the big one with whomever we wind up "Selecting".

Don't get me wrong. We will probably get a talented young man. I just don't see a 9 type talent this year. Just our luck. You would think that the #9 pick would have more options, or at least an obvious option.

Sorry, got to get these things out before they build. And GOOOOO CATS!!!!!!!!!!!!