Brockers=overrated?

[Cat'sGrowl]

Yes..we do. That's the point.

We know that

A. Rivera wants to blitz the QB, as per his experience with Jim Johnson and the fact that McDermott was on a plane to Charlotte seconds after he was fired from Philly.

B. We want to continue to incorporate more of the 3-4, from Rivera's mouth himself. 34 OLB's are essentially DE's who can rush the passer and maintain coverage on RB's, TE's, etc...

This is the way our defense is being built. Keuchly, as an outside LB, where he isn't even best suited to begin with, would project to a Cover 2 player and be playing out of position, and as the defense continues to be molded in Rivera's watch over the years, out of scheme.

Question....do you have any clue what Rivera wants to do with this defense? Scheme wise? Last year didn't give him a chance to do anything but tread water.

Do you know who is going to be on our roster week 1 at LB?

There is a place for great talent. It always finds it way to the field. No need to reach drastically for need if BPA also fits a need.

Beason could return and be injury prone for the rest of his career for all we know or a shell of his former self...we don't know, we assume he returns in a scenario with only positive outcomes b/c we want it that way.

Giants haven't had great needs when they have drafted in certain areas. They have in others and opted to go BPA instead. They put an emphasis on BPA early. The talent finds it way to the field.

[Cat'sGrowl]

Not all rookies are created equal. There is a difference between young players and crappy players.

:cam: :jc:

[Sloth]

Who else runs Jim Johnson's 4-3 and Mayock said would that Kuechly would be a slam dunk at 15 for them. Yeah, the Philadephia Eagles.

He'd play in the middle for them though. The Eagles also are notorious for not placing a ton of draft value in the LB position.

[DaCityKats]

If Luke could rush the passer i could see him going in the top 10.i was wrong about him tho he would be a nice SLB in a 4-3. didnt think he was that athletic.

[Cat'sGrowl]

He'd play in the middle for them though. The Eagles also are notorious for not placing a ton of draft value in the LB position.

Exactly... He wouldn't just be playing out of scheme for us, it would be out of position as well. I like Kuechly, I think he projects as a trendous MLB no matter how much P55 tries to make it look like I believe otherwise.

I just don't see much benefit in signing him in how he relates to us.

[rayzor]

He'd play in the middle for them though. The Eagles also are notorious for not placing a ton of draft value in the LB position.

i don't know about notorious, but they didn't last year and it bit them in the butt. they made the wrong assumption that LB wasn't as much of a priority in a passing league and ended up getting run all over.

word is they learned their lesson.

[CRA]

Exactly... He wouldn't just be playing out of scheme for us, it would be out of position as well. I like Kuechly, I think he projects as a trendous MLB no matter how much P55 tries to make it look like I believe otherwise.

I just don't see much benefit in signing him in how he relates to us.

you don't see how having great talent benefits us?

Let's say, Connor does leave, Davis can't comeback and everyone's worst nightmare comes true...that Beason either becomes injury prone or simply isn't the same player.

How does that pick sound then??

We don't know what will happen...which is why when you draft high...BPA matters.

[Actionman0z]

I dont want Poe or Brockers at #9.

[Cat'sGrowl]

you don't see how having great talent benefits us?

Let's say, Connor does leave, Davis can't comeback and everyone's worst nightmare comes true...that Beason either becomes injury prone or simply isn't the same player.

How does that pick sound then??

We don't know what will happen...which is why when you draft high...BPA matters.

Or, what if everyone stats healthy and the DL still sucks?

Or the Secondary?

Or, better yet, what if we address depth with some of the other great LB prospects in this draft, add a couple FA bodies there as well, and use our high draft picks on the nice prospects at positions of need at the top of the draft and have a nice well rounded defense that puts us in a position to make a spectacular run to the Super Bowl next season?

I prefer the second option.

[Cat'sGrowl]

Or I guess it's the 3rd, actually.

[CRA]

Or, what if everyone stats healthy and the DL still sucks? Or the Secondary?

Or, better yet, what if we address depth with some of the other great LB prospects in this draft, add a couple FA bodies there as well, and use our high draft picks on the nice prospects at the top of the draft and have a nice well rounded defense that puts us in a position to make a spectacular run to the Super Bowl next season?

I prefer the second option.

What if the LB corp is just as big of a liability this year as last? Again, you can't predict what will happen.

Maybe we let our current young DTs develop along w/ Edwards coming back to provide stability....see how bad we really are at DT. It takes time to develop those positions. We don't even know what we really have in our young DTs. Can't judge them yet.

Superbowl run next season? My BC LB is more likely to have an impact in 2012 than a Poe or Brockers. Could be a couple before those DTs in this draft are ready to see real time on the field.

[Cat'sGrowl]

Terrell Mclain and Sione Fua are a pair of third round picks (one being a compensatory pick and the last pick of the round). There is nothing invested in them. They did nothing to warrant any trust this season. If we had taken that method with Jimmy last offseason we would all be sitting around stoked that we're about to draft RG3.

LB play is directly affected by DT play. You want to see tremendously better LB play? Put some talent in front of them. You want to stop seeing our LBs get bulldozed by charging Guards and ending up on IR the following Monday?? Put some DLmen in front them who can hold the point of attack.

[CRA]

Terrell Mclain and Sione Fua are a pair of third (one being a compensatory pick and the last pick of the round). There is nothing invested in them. They did nothing to warrant any trust this season. If we had taken that method with Jimmy last offseason we would all be sitting around stoked that were about to draft RG3.

LB play is directly affected by DT play. You want to see tremendously better LB play? Put some talent in front of them. You want to stop seeing out LBs get bulldozed by charging Guards and ending up on IR the following Monday?? Put some DLmen in front them who can hold the point of attack.

if you threw Poe out there in a comparable scenario as those 2 DTs....he probably would have looked the same. We at least have some youth at DT and some stability in Ron Edwards coming back.

We had no LBs on the field last year...they didn't just look bad b/c of those around them.

[Cat'sGrowl]

Poe, or any other DT projected to go at the top of the first, will play considerably better than any rookie DT we had on the roster last year, and since DT is the "root" position of the defensive side of the ball, it can be assumed the defense as whole will be positively affected by this.

To say that he wouldn't is just silly. We might as well just draft Geoff Schwartz with our first if round is no indicator of value, to imply that it isn't is just, as said, silly.